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So are Indy and his dad immortal at the end of Last Crusade or not?

Discussion in 'Lucasfilm Ltd. In-Depth Discussion' started by DarthHomer, Jul 22, 2002.

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  1. DarthHomer

    DarthHomer Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I've never quite got this part of the film. Some people say that they're not immortal because the effects of drinking from the holy grail vanish after they leave the chamber. But where does it actually say this in the film? All I heard was that the cup couldn't be taken over the seal.
    Also, if the effect didn't last once they were outside, then wouldn't that meant Jones Sr's gunshot wound would come back?
    And why did Elsa and Indiana both try and grab the cup when it fell down the crack, if it was no use to them outside?
    And how come those fabled Knights lived to be hundreds of years old even after they left the chamber?

    So many questions :)
     
  2. PROPHEToftheCOUNCIL

    PROPHEToftheCOUNCIL Jedi Master star 4

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    Henry and Henry Jr. are not imortal at the end of the film. They left the chamber, passed beyond the seal.

    "But you cannot pass beyond the great seal. That is the boundry, and the price off imortality."


    That is a dirrect quote from the the film by, the Grail Knight.


    As for why did Indy and Elsa reach for the cup? Well, it was the Grail. And Indy is an archieologist.
     
  3. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I also read somewhere that(some backstory that I have since forgotten) one has to keep drinking from the cup to recieve its benefits.

    That's why Indy and his father only got temporary benefits. The grail is like a blessing and a curse. Like the Knight said, there is a price to pay for immmortality. You have to stay and drink from the grail, or your age will catch up to you.
     
  4. Obi-Wan2001

    Obi-Wan2001 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, it healed Henry's gunshot wound. So, I guess you can go in, get patched up, and bail. Just make sure to leave the grail behind. :p
     
  5. jangosdna

    jangosdna Jedi Youngling star 3

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    You can't cross pass the seal

    Remember the story that Donavon (sp) tells Indiana at the beginning?

    Somthing like two knights leave 150 years later and one actually makes it before dying of extreme old age.

    The knight who sticks around is still alive some 500 or so years later b/c he stayed behind

    I think
     
  6. shocktrooper

    shocktrooper Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I don't know why but I got the impression they left with extended life if not by a lot.
     
  7. KaaShamau

    KaaShamau Jedi Padawan star 4

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    So they can still make Indy IV when Ford is 80? :p
     
  8. bedada3

    bedada3 Jedi Master star 4

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    The Grail Knight said, "But, the grail cannot pass beyond the great seal."

    Not, "...you cannot..."

     
  9. ferelwookie

    ferelwookie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yep. That whole "seal" thing's a bummer. You can live forever, but you gotta hang out with Oldie the Knight for eternity.

    Yikes! I'll take death if you don't mind! ;)

    Once you cross the seal, you revert to your natural age. Like someone in "Crusade" said (can't remember right now) that the other knight died of "extreme old age." So, if the knight guarding the grail had passed over the seal he would have quickly aged 1000 or so years and died. Man, that guy had to be bored...not even any cable there!
     
  10. stinrab

    stinrab Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I always thought it meant immortal spiritually
     
  11. ferelwookie

    ferelwookie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't think it's intended to mean that, but could be. From what I hear, from people of several different faiths, you don't need a grail to acheive that. :)
     
  12. Luukeskywalker

    Luukeskywalker Force Ghost star 5

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    From my understanding, once you drink from the grail you become immortal.

    The thing is that the grail ITSELF cannot pass the seal, becuase that is the price of immortality. So when Elsa crossed the seal with the cup the earthquake started. That was the price she paid for crossing the seal with the cup.
     
  13. Friend_of_Skylark

    Friend_of_Skylark Jedi Knight star 5

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    I think it's that you get enernity if you stay behind. If you pass the seal you live a normal length life.
     
  14. Luukeskywalker

    Luukeskywalker Force Ghost star 5

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    No, the line that the knight says is, "The SEAL cannot cross the great seal. For that is the price of immortality."

    Then Elsa crosses the seal with the grail and Indy says to her, "Elsa, don't cross the seal. The knight warned us not to take the grail from here."

    If you try to take the grail past the seal, then the earthquake will start and kill everyone. That is what was going on.
    I didn't have anything to do with Indy and his dad becoming immortal.

    Besides they can't be immortal. If we wanna feel their lives are in danger and peril in Indiana Jones 4.
     
  15. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The knight does say that you need to drink every day from the cup. He says that he looks old because there were times he didn't drink because his spirit had faltered
     
  16. DarthHomer

    DarthHomer Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    i need to watch it again - I don't remember that at all
     
  17. jangosdna

    jangosdna Jedi Youngling star 3

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    "Upon further review"

    The two brothers came out of the desert some 150 yrs later and soon died of extreme old age...

    The ONE knight stayed around and was alive some 500 years...

    With my grade school mind I can come to only one conclusion...

    If you leave - you quickly age accordingly

    Indy and daddy left - they will age normally

    Thank you and good night
     
  18. ferelwookie

    ferelwookie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yep! That's what I said! So, after "Crusade", both of the Jones boys are old farts...still chasing women...but old farts! ;)
     
  19. Jedi76

    Jedi76 Jedi Master star 3

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    No because they did cross the seal voiding thier inmortality
     
  20. jangosdna

    jangosdna Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Great...just b/c of this "thread" Georgie and Stevie will replace old Harrison's face with a CGI face of the young(er) Indy in the upcoming film.

    They both aged normally due to the fact that they crossed the seal!
     
  21. ratherkissawookie

    ratherkissawookie Jedi Master star 3

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    In addition to that whole seal thing, Mr44 is right about continuing to drink from it, I think.
     
  22. COSLeiaOrganaSolo

    COSLeiaOrganaSolo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If you drink from the grail it will extend your life a little depending on how old you are. If you're 100 and you drink from the grail you'll live longer than you normally would, but if you're 5 and you drink from the grail, unless you have some medical problem, it won't really have an effect on how long you live. If you don't pass the seal you'll only live longer because you'll have the grail to keep drinking out of.
     
  23. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A LOTR mirror-image thingy-

    Indy and his dad are like Numenoreans now; they'll live longer than most people do, bot not forever.

    The old Knight is an Elf. He'll live forever, as long as nobody kills him.

     
  24. darkestjedi

    darkestjedi Jedi Youngling

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    Just to add in, the seal is the boundry of immortality. They are not immortal, yet a good story would for them to go back to the cavern and live a few years there. I don't know, it is a link to new possibilities for Indy 4...
     
  25. AdamBertocci

    AdamBertocci Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Upping to free thread from the autolocker



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