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Discussion So J.J. Abrams wants Star Wars to feel real.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by PrincessKenobi, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. ManaByte Force Ghost

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    What Abrams meant by this was that the Original Trilogy had a gritty "lived in" look to it that made everything look like a real place. Lucas' reasoning for this was that technology didn't really advance under the iron grip of the Empire so everyone just used what they still had and everything ended up looking lived-in.

    During the Prequel time period, it was a more refined time before the Empire. That means everything was kept up well and looked slick and very Flash Gordon-like.

    Abrams wants the Sequel Trilogy to reflect the lived in look of the Original Trilogy more. One can assume that even with the Empire gone, people won't bust out the floor buffers and paint to keep things up anymore.
  2. Diggs Jedi Master

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    It's more than that though I think. It's not just the "grit" of the used universe, although clearly that's a part. I think it's about using every trick available to him as a story-teller to make the characters, the world and the story feel believable - and that is about more than just props and sets being beat up.
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  3. I Are The Internets SFTC Tiemaster (Nov '16)

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    Maybe what he actually means is that there will be actual historical characters running around ala Bill and Ted.
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  4. Diggs Jedi Master

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  5. Pfluegermeister Jedi Grand Master

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    "Want a Twinkie, Genghis Khan?" LOVED that film. :cool:
  6. TheStorm Jedi Master

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    Ya it is more than just the grit. It's not just the visual of it it's how the characters interact with it. Even in the more "clean" look of Bespin, it still "felt" real because the actors gave the illusion and feel that they were walking around in Cloud City. And blue screen can hinder this at times, but in reality it is getting the actors to go beyond and have an emotional connection with the character to make us believe they are walking around in a world, and not a set. The problem with the PT at times was like when Natalie was talking to Ewan in Episode III about Anakin, and Natalie just looked awkward. Like she was an inch away from turning to the camera and saying "Am I doing it right George?" Because even Harrison said that GL just points to the script and says...."Just do that...it's right there what's the problem?" When Harrison and I think even GL has admitted he does not know how to work with actors very well. So especially when you are making a film in a fantasy galaxy, you have to work even harder with your actors to make that illusion that they feel at home, and like they are truly walking around in an alien world, not a set. With more contemporary films it's easier, but with these you need a director who can understand as Harrison put it "More to it than just reading lines". And to me that's what most the PT felt like was just the actors reading the lines as quickly as they could to get on with it. Rather than doing what actors are primarily suppose to do is create a character form an emotional level and help us connect to the story/world/situation.

    Of course the set design and realistic feel of the SFX is a huge part of it, but I think more so it comes down to the actors being a part of the world rather than just saying their lines on a set. Truly acting so to speak. That's to me what I'm pretty sure is one of the elements JJ is talking about. Creating a real gravity feel is more with the characters than anything. Even Nolan was talking about that in that latest documentary about the TDK trilogy. And it was interesting because if the actors can believe they are in a world, so will the audience.
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  7. Darth PJ Jedi Grand Master

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    Great little doc... could watch those all day. Yep - Kersh is on the money when he says "Star Wars is a fairytale".
    Interesting to note that Hamill's sword fight rehearsal comes across much faster than is does in the actual film... more reminiscent of the energy of the PT duels.
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  8. David_Skywalker01 Jedi Master

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    I love it how the Prequel fans start bashing as soon as the OT is used as the direction of the ST.

    Seems like grasping at straws to me.
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  10. JediGirl_Angelina Jedi Master

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    Yeah, it looked so much more dynamic than in the final shot.

    What I liked the most were the "paintings" that were edited later on into the shots.
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  11. Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master

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    Very cool video. I never saw that before now. :)
  12. Sith-Mullet Jedi Master

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    I wonder if J. J. will go as far as polyester fabric, 1977 style, to keep it real. :)
  13. Mystery Roach Jedi Grand Master

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    Don't forget the sideburns. In ANH, everybody had sideburns. Are we to believe that this was the only period in the history of the GFFA in which sideburns were trending?
  14. Beezer Jedi Master

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    Personally, I don't like the new and supposedly "more real" design of the X-34. Could be a Disney influence.

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  15. kyl-o-ren Jedi Youngling

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    Oh my God, I can't believe you were right
  16. Darkslayer Force Ghost

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    To me Star Wars isn't supposed to feel real. It's got aliens flying all over the place, planet-destroying super weapons, and humans shooting lightning from their hands for goodness sake! :p
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  17. JediRocks74 Jedi Knight

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    I think what JJ meant was that he wants it to look real. That's why he's using real sets and practical special effects, instead of being lazy and just setting up the green screens and making a fake looking movie. Good idea.
  18. Good Blaster Jedi Padawan

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    JJ said he wanted it to look "messy"
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  19. B99 Jedi Master

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    Oh my...
  20. JediRocks74 Jedi Knight

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    Does he want it to look scruffy looking?
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  21. GregMcP Jedi Master

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    That's the big trick. To make a movie about something fantastic, impossible, and make it feel real.
  22. Good Blaster Jedi Padawan

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    Who you calling scruffy?
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  23. PymParticles Jedi Grand Master

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    I think every good Star Wars movie, and every good fantasy or science-fiction film, should strive for a sense of verisimilitude. The more real the world of the film looks and feels, the more immersive the experience is, and the more readily you accept the more fantastical or out-there concepts. If the world presented is unconvincing, it's difficult to invest in it.
  24. Darkslayer Force Ghost

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    The CGI to me though just adds to that fantasy element. Practical effects take away from it in a lot of cases (for instance I was watching ESB the other night and one of the first shots of the probe droid almost took me out of the film, the model/matte painting/whatever they used was so obvious). I am not opposed to practical effects but they have to be used in the right context. The Lord of the Rings, Inception, and The Dark Knight are the best examples I can think of off the top of my head where an emphasis on practical effects makes sense, because the world those stories take place in is supposed to feel more real.

    Star Wars on the other hand is escapism, an adventure to exotic, unknown places and watching guys fight with powers we can only imagine. Practical effects can't do it justice a lot of the time because it's not real. One notable exception though is that with the OT even though I don't think it's ideal, I don't mind the heavy use of practical effects because those were the limitations of the time.

    Just how I see it of course.
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  25. Jedsithor Jedi Master

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    Wait, didn't each individual Star Wars prequel have more practical elements than the entire original trilogy combined? What doesn't feel real to me is this forced emphasis on practical work being celebrated by Disney and Lucasfilm, as if the last three films didn't make extensive use of real locations, props, sets, models and miniatures, which of course they did.

    As for the reality of the universe, a lot is made of how the prequels take place in a different time, before the galaxy felt the weight of the Empire pressing down on it. For me, it's more than that. The prequels play out as fairytales and legends. As if Threepio got his memory back and is telling the Ewoks all about how the Republic fell, but there's embellishment and the story is told as a folk tale of sorts, rather than just history. The era of the Republic is the time of legends, of great heroes and grand, operatic adventures. The era of the Empire is the time of legends fading into obscurity and the sequels may be a time where the old legends become real again.