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Discussion So, yeah... Simon Kinberg....

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode VII and Beyond (Archive)' started by IG_2000, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. IG_2000

    IG_2000 Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Aug 5, 2008
    Seems like everyone is all overjoyed at Kasdan's return to Star Wars and we seem to be glossing over Simon Kinberg.

    Now his track record isn't exactly... stellar. He wrote X Men: The Last Stand and Jumper, among others.

    However, he DID write the first Sherlock Holmes, which is a movie franchise I love, and seems to have a good track record as a producer, which includes First Class and Neil Blomkamps' upcoming flick which is guaranteed to be awesome coming from the same visionary behind District 9.

    Maybe Star Wars will bring out the best in him?
  2. Palpatine2016

    Palpatine2016 Jedi Master star 4

    Nov 12, 2012
    Jumper? Maybe he knows Christensen. This means Anakin will be back. #logic
  3. SkywalkerSquadron

    SkywalkerSquadron Jedi Knight star 4

    Feb 2, 2013
    It looks like he's been involved in several good movies to me. I hope he's good enough for Star Wars though.
  4. Mange

    Mange Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jan 11, 2003
    Well, it's not as if Kasdan hasn't been involved in the occasional disaster (*cough* the movie version of Dreamcatcher *cough*). I think he can pull it off.
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  5. aguywithabiggun

    aguywithabiggun Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Mar 27, 1999
    I suspect that this new trilogy is going to be epic in ways we haven't seen since TESB. These people are the reasons why. A veritable dream team is being put together. District 9... yes yes yes.
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  6. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

    Nov 20, 2012
    Wasn't Kasdan also behind the Godawful Kevin Costner epic Wyatt Earp? Yeah they both have their flaws.
  7. Darth Horn Rollo

    Darth Horn Rollo Jedi Knight star 1

    Nov 2, 2012
    At some point, this logic falls apart. Past failures don't ensure future failures, no more than past excellence is indicative of future excellence. I'm slightly optimistic because there are more voices in the conversation than just Lucas. Lucas' tight grip on the prequels was problematic and it's telling that when help was brought in on ROTS, the result was the best movie of the PT. I'm encouraged by the names I'm seeing and I'm certain that Disney is taking care to guard its new gold mine. They are fully aware of the stakes, especially in regards to the ST and the first 2 spin off films.

    I'm fairly certain that the ST will be quite good. Well, at least, I'm hoping...
  8. Skywalker2B

    Skywalker2B Jedi Master star 3

    Dec 8, 2000
    And don't forget, Kasdan and Kinsberg are also working with Arndt and Abrams. I'd bet that they are all reading each others scripts and providing input.
  9. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

    Nov 12, 2012
    Mr & Mrs Smith is a great script, top to bottom. I also think that X-Men 3 and This Means War were underrated. Jumper's script ... not the worst thing ever, mostly it's just that the movie itself is a tad lifeless. I like the first Sherlock Holmes well enough but much of what carried that was the chemistry between Law and Downey.

    Overall, the guy can write action flicks and toss in a few funny / cool lines here and there. Not the worst pedigree to have if you're rolling into a Star Wars script.

    I've always assumed Kassadan = writing Han Solo movie. Kinberg = writing Boba Fett movie. What say you?

    Also this, I doubt each screenwriter for each flick is working in their own little sealed Mouse cubicle.
  10. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 20, 2012
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  11. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Force Ghost star 5

    Aug 9, 2002
    I recall digging the second Holmes more, but the first was fun too. I'm actually a little less enthused about Kasdan. Can't say he's done anything I've liked outside of Star Wars/Indy, which leaves me a bit wary if Lucas's involvement isn't going to be all that significant.
  12. Darth Claire

    Darth Claire Force Ghost star 5

    Dec 21, 2012
    Well he did help make X Men: First Class so that could mean we could get more Star Wars slash *never a bad thing IMO ;)*
  13. Zuckuss the Ruckuss

    Zuckuss the Ruckuss Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 5, 2013
    Wyatt Earp was not a godawful movie. It had its problems but it was anchored by some great performances. Kasdan blemishes are mainly Dreamcatcher(which was a middling Stephen King novel to begin with). The worst culprit was "Darling Companion" which is just awful.

    Outside of those two films, his filmography is filled with serviceable or outstanding stuff. In fact, Kasdan hasn't done genre in a while. This may be "getting back to his roots" sort of speak.

    I'm not worried abou Kasdan at all to be honest. Kinberg, on the other hand, doesn't have quite the resume. He is mostly middling to poor with one real exception being "Xmen: First Class". That movie was well written for a comic book movie.

    So, he does have the capability to do solid work, but its the exception not the rule.
  14. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

    Nov 20, 2012
    Compared to Tombstone, Wyatt Earp was pretty terrible, but that is for another thread (preferably the JCC).
  15. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Nov 24, 2000
    I thought Jumper was pretty good. It was a cool idea and the supporting cast was good. I think had they gone a different route for the leading actor and not chosen Hayden Christensen it would have not felt so lifeless. His acting is so stiff, no emotion at all.
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  16. GunganSlayer

    GunganSlayer Jedi Master star 3

    Jan 24, 2013
    yep, I'll be honest, I'm not necessarily thrilled about Kinberg's involvement in Star Wars.

    That being said, it's not like Kasdan is a saint or anything. He's had some real stinkers before in the past, too, particularly recently.

    It's easy to criticize filmmakers and writers from an armchair perspective, as many of us do, but the truth is, past works don't necessarily mean good or bad future works, (or, I guess, vice versa, if that makes sense?). Clint Eastwood is perhaps one of the most well known and respected American directors in cinema history, but he sure did direct (and also star) in some stinkers. Ben Affleck isn't really that great of an actor, but in his short directorial career, he's demonstrated how good of a director he is.

    With that said, it's perhaps ironic that I really hope that Orci and Kurtzman are not involved in any Star Wars projects whatsoever, lol
  17. Joe

    Joe Jedi Master star 6

    Dec 25, 2012
    True. However, I do feel that if someone consistently puts out terrible films, that should rate negatively against them. Someone who only had a couple bad films (Kinberg) shouldn't have it held against them.
  18. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

    Jul 2, 2004
    He didn't write it.
  19. Zuckuss the Ruckuss

    Zuckuss the Ruckuss Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 5, 2013
    Your right, he didn't. Everyone wrote the thing but him.

    Oh well, guy is a hack. Hopefully someone nurses his script to something watchable.
  20. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 5 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 20, 2012
    At least Kinberg is enthusiastic, which might be what landed him the gig in the first place.
  21. Zuckuss the Ruckuss

    Zuckuss the Ruckuss Jedi Master star 4

    Jan 5, 2013
    Kevin Smith is also a very enthusiastic Star Wars fan. I don't think he is capable of writing a Star Wars movie.

    I'm not going to say that Kinberg has no chance of writing a quality Star Wars film. If "Mr. and Mrs Smith" is the pinnacle of his writing career; I'm not going to get my hopes up.
  22. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Jun 4, 2002
    Hayden was fine in Jumper - for what he was given. The book was so much different and better.
  23. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

    Nov 12, 2012
    Be fair now, X-Men 3 at least got in one solid Magneto monologue, which is pretty much a standard passing grade for any X-Men movie. (Of course, it was delivered by Ian McKellen so, y'know, the guy can make an ingredient list for cookies sound like a stirring march to arms)
  24. MakingStarWars

    MakingStarWars Jedi Master star 4

    Oct 20, 2008
    The thing bout Kingberg is that you can't just take his scripts into account. You have to take the face that he's worked extensively as a script doctor into account too. He may have saved more good movies than made bad movies. I don't know what to think about him for that reason.
  25. DarthBoba

    DarthBoba Manager Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Jun 29, 2000
    Yeah...X-Men 3's problem isn't the script per se, IMO. It's the story that's the problem-it just doesn't make an awful lot of sense and ignores a fair amount of continuity from the last film. Plus having a guy who's literally directed one good film in his whole career be the director didn't help either :p
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