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Lit SOLO: A Star Wars Story (untagged spoilers allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Jul 9, 2015.

  1. StarWarsFan91

    StarWarsFan91 Jedi Master star 4

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    Is that classical music?
     
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  2. fett 4

    fett 4 Force Ghost star 5

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    Kasdan likes to take a lot of credit for things but how much was him and how much other people (including Lucas) and what’s he done since RTJ anyway ?

    Hell from a screen writing perspective the whole Jabba scene goes on way to long with not one but 2 monster climax moments in the scene, first the rancor then the sarlaac. Also why wouldn’t Boba recognise Lando [face_thinking]
     
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  3. AndrewPascoe

    AndrewPascoe Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it’s fair enough for him to take credit given that he was the primary writer for the scripts. George is a great ideas man but terrible at dialogue. Harrison helped with improv across a few scenes in the OT but overall he wrote what we got.

    I’m sorry do you not like multiple monster climaxes? Sure those scenes could be trimmed but I wouldn’t change them for the world. I feel that they perfectly exacerbate the situation and stakes.

    As for what he’s done since not much although he did co-write a little known flick called The Force Awakens. He knows how to write for Han and write or co-write a Star Wars flick.
     
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  4. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Master star 4

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    You could literally put Sabotage over any trailer and I will immediately get goosebumps.

    It's like Kanye West's POWER. It just works SO WELL.
     
  5. fett 4

    fett 4 Force Ghost star 5

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    A movie that rips off a previous movie and does a load of mystery box moments is not great screenwriting in Jmo
     
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  6. AndrewPascoe

    AndrewPascoe Jedi Master star 4

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    It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

    Your personal opinions aside I think you’d be hard pressed to find many people who agree that Kasdan does not write good Han Solo or doubt his impact on the OT.
     
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  7. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kasdan knows how to maintain the already successful character created in ANH, but I don't find that he particularly did anything new or different with him. Han coming back from being a scoundrel to join the Rebels was already established at the end of ANH. There's a reason Harrison Ford felt his character was stagnating.

    It makes far more sense to credit Kasdan with Lando. There has never been a Lando without Kasdan (film-wise). Han was already an established hit character before Kasdan.

    It's sort of like saying Patrick Stewart understands Charles Xavier best because of his excellent portrayal in his X-Men films. Patrick Stewart may have done a great job, but Charles Xavier existed as a character for almost 40 years before Patrick Stewart came along, with other good portrayals (X-Men 1992 cartoon) predating him.

    Han Solo was a hit character for some years before Kasdan, with excellent writing from Lucas, Archie Goodwin, and Brian Daley before Kasdan joined up.
     
  8. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Someone do this one next.
     
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  9. AndrewPascoe

    AndrewPascoe Jedi Master star 4

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    True that Han was already established, but Kasdan still then wrote TESB, ROTJ and TFA all of which had memorable Han moments. While the Stewart example is fine there is a difference an actor portraying a character and the writer coming up with the story.

    I still think that Kasdan understands Han best given that he is his primary writer. By all means give George credit for creating the lovable Rogue but the writing mostly comes from Kasdan from 2/3 of the OT/TFA and soon this.

    On top of this it ignores the rest of my point. Kasdan didn’t just write the Han sequences. He’s helped write 3 other Star Wars films two of which are considered classics. He knows how to write Star Wars. If you disagree then we’ll just leave it at that.
     
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  10. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    True, Kasdan made ESB and ROTJ classics. I was let down a lot by TFA though. And Kasdan making ESB and ROTJ classic means he's equally qualified to write a good Luke and Leia, but all everyone seems to talk about is him writing a good Han...?

    I'm holding out some hope for Solo, but I tend to judge by what the writer wrote most recently for, not what s/he did almost 40 years ago. Sometimes people's work can't match up to what they did before. Stan Lee, Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson, Gene Roddenberry, Chris Claremont, and others often write good stuff after their heydey, but sometimes can't quite recapture the magic that marked their finest work.

    With Kasdan, I have reason to be skeptical since I imagine TFA is more reflective of how he writes these days than ESB and ROTJ, which were done very long ago.
     
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  11. Soontir-Fel

    Soontir-Fel Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I mean TFA problem wasn't characters. The characters were written great and were acted great.
    The problem was they were in a story that had no idea what to do with them and really no idea what to do in general. Which I really lay at JJ's feet more than anything because of his kriffing mystery box fetish.
     
  12. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    The effort to diminish Kasdan's role in Solo's character development over the latter two films of the OT to justify pre-hating this one simply doesn't fly. To use a sidv88-esque analogy, it's like taking credit away from Chris Claremont for the success of the X-Men comic book in the 1980s by saying he simply continued what Lee and Kirby started in the 1960s. You don't have to like what Kasdan did with Han in TFA but claiming he doesn't understand the Solo character is, as you suggest, a hard sell to say the least.
     
  13. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Immortal Mod-King of the EUC, RPF and SWC star 8 Staff Member Manager

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    Hang on, hang on - where is my Solo novelisation of the film...?


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  14. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  15. Giovs

    Giovs Jedi Knight star 3

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  16. TiniTinyTony

    TiniTinyTony Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Edit: Made the same mistake as Giovs. Posted in the correct thread.
     
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  17. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It seems that the very cool series of posters they made for Solo may have been plagiarized. Oops.
    [​IMG]
    Note that I did say "may", as I did not investigate the matter.
     
  18. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Lando strikes me as more Funk than Jazz. But Chewie = Soul all the way.

    Also, Electronic Funk should have been L3-37, obviously.
     
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  19. AndrewPascoe

    AndrewPascoe Jedi Master star 4

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    Well someone will lose a job. They are still cool posters though.
     
  20. Amon_Amarth

    Amon_Amarth Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Twice I read the last one as "Soulo".
     
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  21. Coherent Axe

    Coherent Axe Jedi Knight star 3

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    Han Seoul-Oh.
     
  22. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    That news story is starting to make the rounds.

    If true, I think it's our job as fans to take this seriously and do what is required of any concerned fan.

    We must contact the original artist and ask him if he made any more of these posters so that we can endlessly speculate which other characters will get plagiarized posters.
     
  23. starfish

    starfish Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    L3-37 should be techno funk

    Woody Harrelson’s character could just be the soundtrack from firefly
     
  24. tatooinesandworm

    tatooinesandworm Jedi Knight star 3

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  25. Jeff_Ferguson

    Jeff_Ferguson Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm not even sure that Seoul's getting this movie at all. Rogue One opened here nearly a month later. And IMDB doesn't have a Korean release date for Solo listed yet.

    But I'm not excited enough for this movie to even care!
     
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