Solo twins age in SbS screw-up

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  1. wk_sock Jedi Knight

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    ok, 9/4 ABY twins born right?

    in SbS it says Jaina is 19 (pg 4).

    that would place SbS at 28/4 ABY.

    but...

    25/4 ABY Vector Prime
    25/5 ABY Chewbacca
    25/6 ABY Onslaught
    26 ABY Ruin
    26/1 ABY Hero's Trial
    26/2 ABY Jedi Eclipse
    26/4 ABY Balance Point
    26/5 ABY Conquest
    27/1 ABY Rebirth

    28/4 ABY Star By Star???

    That would mean SbS takes place over a year after Rebirth. I think Denning messed up.

    By my calculations, it should be at 27/5 ABY (Han says Ben is 4 months old)

    Keep in mind, the SW calendar has only 10 months.

    wk_sock
  2. Veng_Commando Jedi Master

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    thats confusing, but I think it makes sense. I think you're right
  3. wk_sock Jedi Knight

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    As each new NJO book has come out, I've figured out how long after the previous one it took place, so I'm 99.9% sure I'm right ...

    wk_sock
  4. CmdrMitthrawnuruodo Force Ghost

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  5. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Here is how the books line up; the format I'm using is year/month.

    25/9: Vector Prime
    26/2: Onslaught
    26/4: Ruin
    26/6: Hero's Trial
    27/1: Jedi Eclipse
    27/3: Balance Point
    27/5: Conquest
    27/9: Rebirth
    28/4: Star By Star

    Since the twins were born at 9/4, they way I have listed this fits perfectly with how the twins' age is listed in the books.
  6. Genghis_the_Dead_12 Jedi Knight

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    I'd say Denning is probably close to the mark.

    The Vong would have first heard about the significance of Myrkyrr in Conquest from the Peace Brigadiers who learned about it from Karrde in Conquest.

    Give them time to explore.
    Give them time to find the vornskyr.
    Give them time to shape a voxyn.
    Give them time to crank out as many voxyn as they had.

    It just feels like Denning is more correct - looking at how many voxyn were running about. A lot of time had to have elapsed - much more so than what your calcs show between Conquest and SbS and Rebirth and Sbs.
  7. Valiento Jedi Grand Master

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    Just hope that other future writers don't put the time backwords. And there will not be any problems.
  8. wk_sock Jedi Knight

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    Bib Fortuna, Twi'lek hmmm, maybe ....

    It would help if someone from LFL could help us out (hint hint ;))

    wk_sock
  9. Ian_Ball Jedi Master

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    Bib knows his EU, listening to him seems like a good idea to me ;)
  10. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    Bib is actually Slightly off...the correct timing (remember, in the Crystal Star Anakin is said to be exactly 1.5 years younger than Jacen and Jaina)

    25 years ASW4
    251 months ASW4
    252 months ASW4
    253 months ASW4
    254 months ASW4
    255 months ASW4
    256 months ASW4
    257 months ASW4
    258 months ASW4
    259 months ASW4
    260 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 1: Vector Prime
    26 years ASW4
    261 months ASW4
    262 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 2: Dark Tide: Onslaught
    263 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 3: Dark Tide: Ruin
    264 months ASW4
    Chewbacca # 1
    Chewbacca # 2
    Chewbacca # 3
    Chewbacca # 4
    265 months ASW4
    266 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 4: Agents of Chaos: Hero?s Trial
    267 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 5: Agents of Chaos: Jedi Eclipse
    268 months ASW4
    269 months ASW4
    270 months ASW4

    27 years ASW4
    271 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 6: Balance Point
    The New Jedi Order: Recovery
    272 months ASW4
    273 months ASW4
    274 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 7: Edge of Victory: Conquest
    275 months ASW4
    276 months ASW4
    277 months ASW4
    278 months ASW4
    279 months ASW4
    280 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 8: Edge of Victory: Rebirth
    28 years ASW4
    281 months ASW4
    282 months ASW4
    283 months ASW4
    284 months ASW4
    The New Jedi Order # 9: Star By Star
    The New Jedi Order # 10: Dark Journey
    Gamer # 9: The Apprentice
    285 months ASW4
    286 months ASW4
    287 months ASW4
    288 months ASW4
    289 months ASW4
    290 months ASW4
  11. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    But Jedi Eclipse has to be within 7 or 8 months of Rebirth to account for Mara's pregnancy. Remember, women in the GFFA are pregnant for 7.5 months, not 9.
  12. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    Yes, but in Rebirth, 9 months is specifically stated. Perhaps SW science allows women to keep babies within them for a longer time, perhaps decreasing infant mortality rates.
  13. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    9 months is not specifically stated at all.
  14. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    It definately is. I'm sure of it. I'll look up the page number later tonight.

    Even The Last Command states that Leia had been holding Jacen and Jaina in her tummy for 9 months.
  15. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Unfortunately, many authors erroneously think that 9 months is the length of human pregnancy in the GFFA. It's not. Since 9 months on Earth is about 3/4s of the year, that means that humans in the GFFA are pregnant for 7.5 months.

  16. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    Yep, I know. But like I said, the 9 month reference is there, and we have to work around it. Come up with some convuluted scientific reasoning or something :)
  17. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    We don't have to work around it at all. Human women are pregnant for 7.5 months. Period.
  18. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    Not according to Zahn and Keyes. Give me a source that says they're pregnant for 7.5 months and I'll change my mind. (and yes, I'm a strong advocate of the 10 month SW calender).
  19. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

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    There is an easy way to reconcile this. Pregnancies (on Earth) are supposed to last 9-10 lunar months. (A lunar month is defined as the time it takes the moon to orbit the earth, or about 28 days.) 9-10 lunar months is approximately 252-280 days, or about 8.5-9.3 "normal" Gregorian-calendar months. It would not be too difficult to imagine that (depending on the specific planet that mankind came from in the GFFA) the lunar months were slightly different than here on Earth.

    However, because a galactic society needs a uniform calendar, independent of any specific world or solar system, they use a different length month and year.
  20. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    The Star Wars calendar is 368 days, comprised of 10 months.

    On Earth, women are pregnant for 9 months, or 3/4s of the years.

    3/4s of 10 is 7.5. It's really quite simple.
  21. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    "The Star Wars calendar is 368 days, comprised of 10 months.

    On Earth, women are pregnant for 9 months, or 3/4s of the years.

    3/4s of 10 is 7.5. It's really quite simple."


    Yes, I understand your reasoning fine. In fact, I subscribed to the same reasoning before I saw documented sources stating that SW women are indeed pregnant for 9 months. There are no documented sources that say SW women are pregnant for 7.5 months.

    Not to mention that the New Jedi Order series is indeed following the ten month calender as well. You'll note that in Balance Point, the characters not only mention the fact that Chewie has been dead for a year, but that it also happened 10 months earlier. They mention both "1 year" and "10 months" so the authors are indeed using it. Therefore, we must reconcile both dates. SW women, for some reason or another, be it gravity on certain planets, lunar cycles, scientific breakthroughs etc, are pregnant for 9/10 of the year. Period.
  22. Zyra Force Ghost

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    Wait, wait. Someone help me out here...

    So a SW year is 10 months, however, it is almost the same amount of time as an Earth year because the months are just longer?

    Making the 7.5 month thing the same amount of time as humans on Earth, it's just that the months are measured a little differently?
  23. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    Wrong. 7.5 is the correct length of human pregnancy.
  24. Mavrick889 Jedi Master

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    "Wrong. 7.5 is the correct length of human pregnancy."

    Show me a source, and I'll believe you. As it stands, I have in-universe sources saying that it's 9 months. I understand your logic, but I'm afraid it gets tossed out the window when an actual character mentions the 9 months figure...


    Beyond that, the timeline doesn't work if we ignore the 9 months figure...

    In The New Jedi Order series, Jacen and Jaina cant be 19 in SxS and the the NJO cant start at 25 years ASW4. I've tried to work it out, and it doesnt work.

    let me demonstrate more clearly:

    ok, say at the latest we start VP at the 10th month (how I have it anyway)

    2 months later...Onslaught
    3 months after VP...Ruin
    6 months after VP...Hero's Trial
    7 months after VP...Jedi Eclipse
    10 months after VP...Balance Point

    ok first year works fine...now we'll use your 7.5 month figure

    3 months after BP...Conquest
    7 months after BP...Rebirth
    11 months after BP...SxS

    you'll note that now, SxS takes place at 28.1 years ASW4...based on the birthdate of Jacen and Jaina at 9.4, this doesnt work. They are not 19 in SxS, which we know is false.

  25. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    I have already shown you my source.

    Many authors still think that the GFFA follows a 12-month system, so it is no surprise that the 9-month pregnany sneaks in every once in a while. 7.5 is correct because it is a similar amount of days to an Earth female pregnancy.
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