SOS - Luke Skywalker - Version 2.0

Ohh, this is sounding good...Say Joser, do you know of any site that gives a good history for the KOTOR games from Redemption onwards? I don't own an X-Bos hence have not played the games and the PC ain't up to handling them either. If not, any chance you can chuck one in here yourself?

Well, you could try looking here, although, this is not entirely complete, and some of the dates may be off. However, it should be good enough to get a basic feel for the history of the era.

Not bad, I attempted to reconcile the two views, Potentium and Traditional, got reasonably far but hit the one impasse of the external dark side as an entity in its own right: It really is the absolute divider between the two views, although the new view, in TUF, did allow for an external dark side as the sum result of acts gone awry.

What I think is more important than reconciling the two views is realising what George Lucas intended. The films make it clear that there is a Dark Side and a Light Side. No matter how much the authors may want to screw Lucas over and rewrite his story, he still has the final say.

 

Postscript for Sithy: How's the tar going down the feathers or did you ignite both substances by interecepting them with a lightsaber?

Argh! Actually 'twas the force lightnin that did me in. Had to hop off the plank and fight me way through the bloody sharks with me lightsaber.


Then out comes that other old, old, clapped out notion: Reboot the EU! Oh yeah! Wahey!

Yep, I must've seen about 5 threads dedicated to an eu reboot. INSANE!

Well then, young Sith, I shall honour you by having my mate Jack Sparrow witness your execution, who will be suitably half-sloshed along with his supposed father, Keith Richards, a Sith Lord whose blood is of pure alcohol!

LOL! Only problem is that I heard Keith doesn't want to do it. Poor Jack. His own father is denying him!

Is today National Talk Like a Pirate Day? I can never remember when that is.

Aye matey tis the day of sea dogs. How ye be forgetin 'bout the most important bloody day o' the year? Keep'n that ungrateful attitude and ye'll be gett'n a good keel-haul'n, savey?

SP your icon makes me want to say "Arrgghh!!" and "say where is the rum ?"

Aye! 'Tis the only day I be gettin me an icon that matches me screen name perfectly.

 

Ahoy, mateys!!

I was looking forward to Dart's reaction too. But I think he said he hasn't seen the film and is waiting for it to come out on DVD. Right, Dart?

I'm assuming he has a really, REALLY good reason for not seeing it in theaters, right?

I like that, DJV! We should all add it to our signatures: " The SOS Luke Skywalker thread: an oasis in a dry and rather annoying board desert." LOL! I like it! But I'm afraid it might annoy other threads.



I mean killing younglings who are defenseless and were trusting Anakin to help them get out of the room. That scene still gets me everytime

I sob like a baby whenever I see it...

LOL, Mine is a 95, but it sure doesn't looks it age. The previous owners clean it well and rarely used it, now when i think about it that escort is really a blessing . though i don't think mine would make the kessel run in less then 12 parasecs.

My car is a '92 Buick, and talk about not making Kessel runs. It's held up really well for a long time, but now lately when I press the gas to make it go faster (so I can merge onto a freeway or something) it'll kind of thunk and shake for a few seconds until at last it gets itself into higher gear. That can be scary, especially when there's ALWAYS some nut going 85 that's getting closer and closer behind you as you desperately press the gas...

The little kiddies had to die. It wasn't like they were defenseless. One little padawan taking down nearly a dozen stormtroopers? They're clearly formidible fighters. Now if Anakin had gone into the nursery ready to kill infants, then that would make me quesy.

These kids were already clearly brainwashed by the Jedi and as such would be a threat to the stability of the Empire. They're just the fruits of the tree of the Jedi oligarchy. Recall that Mace spoke of a "threat against the Jedi;" not a threat against the Republic, against democracy. Perhaps if Mace hadn't spoken with Anakin about in terms of the Jedi-Sith jihad and had placed his reasoning firmly rooted in preserving the Senate's authority, perhaps Anakin would have made a different choice.

Why does Anakin hurt his wife? Because the scheming, evil Kenobi decided to hitch a ride to Mustafar. This scheming Kenobi essentially destroys two lives: Padme's and Anakin's and sets up Luke to be a blunt instrument to kill his father. Why this man should be looked upon as a hero is beyond me.

At first, GAW, I thought this was some kind of satire.

The others answered this for me.

To be fair to the book, it ws written in 1977 by the same guy who penned ANH. (Alan Dean Foster) It was originally written as a low budget possible sequal to ANH in case ANH didn't do well at the box office. ...Not a terrible story, but I really can't accept the "Vader" at the end of the story as being the real Vader.

Noooo waaaay, that "Vader" was a mess. As I recall, he fell down a big hole in the end. Smooth exit, Vadah.

I gotta say, though, that I loved some of the parts in the book--such as where Luke and Leia disguise themselves as miners and Luke has to tell Leia to stop acting like a princess.

What I think is more important than reconciling the two views is realising what George Lucas intended. The films make it clear that there is a Dark Side and a Light Side. No matter how much the authors may want to screw Lucas over and rewrite his story, he still has the final say.

Yeah! What is the point of trying to change the fundamental aspects of SW anyway? What exactly is that going to accomplish besides ticking off a lot of fans?!

 

DeJade_Vu

Yeah! What is the point of trying to change the fundamental aspects of SW anyway? What exactly is that going to accomplish besides ticking off a lot of fans?!

My sentiments exactly.

Sith-Pirate

Aye matey tis the day of sea dogs. How ye be forgetin 'bout the most important bloody day o' the year? Keep'n that ungrateful attitude and ye'll be gett'n a good keel-haul'n, savey?

Sorry, I had a friend in my hometown who would remind me, but I wasn't able to hear from him until after my little memory-lapse. Argh.

 

Sorry, I had a friend in my hometown who would remind me, but I wasn't able to hear from him until after my little memory-lapse. Argh.

Aye matey. Rum'll do that to a man.

To be honest, I never heard of Pirate's day until today when my brother told me what he heard on the radio. From there I looked it up on the bloody net, savey?

DeJade_Vu

Darlin, ye be need'n ta visit us sea-dogs more often. Ye be postin here only thrice so far, lass. A nice pirate-girl like ye shouldn't be forgetin 'bout her mates, savey?

 

JediKnight 88

John Williams is brilliant. He had an important job in musically linking the prequels to the original trilogy, and he did it so well that the music really helps bridge the two trilogies.

o believe me I love his music, as Joser said the duel of the fates in the yoda/sidious duel was well done, but i think the new stuff that he did for ROTS(Fallen Hero track always gets me) was wonderful. I epecially like one of his ROTJ tracks during the space battle of Endor and the ROTJ duel track(when Luke gets angry) .

JoserKyind

Not exactly sure what you meant about LOTR. Peter Jackson has stated an interest in doing re-releases with more added footage. I know I'd buy it.

well i don't know where you're from but in the USA they came out with the extended versions(added footage, bonus features, etc..), but i meant that i was hoping for possible sequels or prequels on LOTR, even a spinoff tv series for Legolas would be cool.

The worst part for me is that the Sith in the KOTOR games have nothing to do with Exar and Ulic. Just a few random Jedi who declared themselves Sith Lords.

well i did like the creativity BioWare made when they developed the story, I mean Malak and Revan were well developed, the story was deep. I mean i would think it to be better then a Kun apprentice running around never mention until the game came out.

I also can't stand Traya's Jedi Purge. If you think about it, she was far more successful than Sidious was. Kinda cheapens the films, if you ask me.

yeah i didn't like the whole KOTOR 2 story compared to the first KOTOR, I did like the improvements, new powers(deflecting with your hands is awesome), and the new jedi robes, but I didn't like how the Exile story wasn't resolved. and the ending wasn't complete, i mean what happen ?


SithPirate

Not a terrible story, but I really can't accept the "Vader" at the end of the story as being the real Vader.

wow and that was the first reference EU book huh ? thanks for the summary, but it does sound like it contradicts a lot of things in the films. is it canon though ?

Yep, he's the guy Rahn cuts in half in the intro.

i had a bad copy of JKK2(i wanted to try it out, since I played JK2:JO and JK:JA), but the thing wouldn't work. was it any fun though ?


Actually, Vader is 80% of the Emperor's power in the suit. He's only about 40% of his potential before his little "fall"

That's not too bad since he lost his appendages, but i believe it to be canon that powerwise ANH Vader > then ROTS Vader.

During ROTS, I think Anakin was about 30% of his full potential. I know he wasn't strong enough to take on the emperor YET, because Yoda would allow Obi-Wan to fight him, but said Obi-Wan wasn't strong enough to face Sidious

yeah that is true, but i wonder if your theory is canon ? I would say so.

Pay attention MS86. JB's little attack of fanaticalcompletistitus is a perfect example of how some indivuals behave when you belittle their beloved eu.

LOL, Duely noted SP, but i would watch out when JB says "heretic" usually thudbugs pop out of nowhere.

Make sure you never criticize ANY eu material in front of these individuals, lest you be chained to a stake with a Star Wars Encyclopedia tied around your neck and burned alive!

LOL, though it could much worse on other boards SP, much worse.

'Tis the only day I be gettin me an icon that matches me screen name perfectly.

yeah it's great, i had no idea today was pirate day or there was such a thing as pirate day.

 

MasterSkywalker86

well i don't know where you're from but in the USA they came out with the extended versions(added footage, bonus features, etc..), but i meant that i was hoping for possible sequels or prequels on LOTR, even a spinoff tv series for Legolas would be cool.

I am from the US of A, and I own the Extended Editions. It was on those dvd's that I heard Jackson talking about an interest in doing the re-releases. I'm not sure I'd want to see a Legolas series, or anything else that drives too far away from Tolkien's work. However, he did write plenty of stuff that would make for great movies. The Hobbit would make a great children's movie, and many movies could be made based on the Silmarillion.

 

JediBen

Please do, we shall carry out the sentence immediately!

hey Jb, I see you have been keeping on acting your Emperor/Overlord ways as usual.

!...It should still match! Uh, how? Then out comes that other old, old, clapped out notion: Reboot the EU! Oh yeah! Wahey!

that is very annoying about early EU when they contradict each other, i mean you had the marvel comic series, GODV series, and the SOME.... C'MON you can make some mistakes in continuity but this is ridiculous.

How dare you expect us to be fair to a book and acknowledge the passing of time in the creation of SW? Next you'll be wanting us to accept that plans and ideas changed, that things in flux, away with you heretic!

can he at least have a last request.......perhaps rum ?(it is pirate's day or it ? )

Not bad, I attempted to reconcile the two views, Potentium and Traditional,

I just hope Luke discovers the True Way!!

DeJadeVu

My car is a '92 Buick, and talk about not making Kessel runs.

LOL, my first car was a 93 ford tempo, that car must have the worst breaks in the world, because my car would idle til the last inch.

That can be scary, especially when there's ALWAYS some nut going 85 that's getting closer and closer behind you as you desperately press the gas...

I HATE TAILGATERS!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! , sorry but they just get me angry when your going the speed limit and they want to rush to the next millenium. I just wish that there was a cop nearby to give the tailgaters tickets, i mean those kind people are just waiting for accidents to happen. So I can defintely relate. yeah you always have to be cautious when entering a highway, my friend scared me when he pulled out(i was in his car) when there was car going 60 about to past us, the guy was practically breathing on our bumper when we made the turn to the lane.


Joser Kyind


However, he did write plenty of stuff that would make for great movies. The Hobbit would make a great children's movie, and many movies could be made based on the Silmarillion.

well i exaggerate with the spinoff but something with continuing the characters or any of the books that Tolkien wrote could be used for movies. I wish they would go over some of the fellowship's backgrounds though in future movies.

oh you mean the re-release versions, sorry i misunderstood, possibly an annviersary collection, well that doesn't really help us with reused material. I have the theathrical versions of LOTR, but I felt the extended were too expensive, a marketing stragedy, just a couple more scenes and bonus features, and really a waste of time.( I mean the originals were long enough, but 4 hours watching ROTK is pushing it. )

though I have seen the extended verions of all 3. I have to say though Gandalf was owned by the witch king( i thought gandalf should had a grand fight with the Wraith) and i like the arwen's song sequence, also when the fellowship get their individual gifts from Lothlorien was cool, not to mention watching Legolas killed 5 Urui Kai in 5 seconds was awesome.

 

oh you mean the re-release versions, sorry i misunderstood, possibly an annviersary collection, well that doesn't really help us with reused material. I have the theathrical versions of LOTR, but I felt the extended were too expensive, a marketing stragedy, just a couple more scenes and bonus features, and really a waste of time.( I mean the originals were long enough, but 4 hours watching ROTK is pushing it. )

I personally love the extended editions. They put some much of the books back into the films.

though I have seen the extended verions of all 3. I have to say though Gandalf was owned by the witch king( i thought gandalf should had a grand fight with the Wraith)

Acutally, that's it seems that in the orinal draft of the book, Gandalf did defeat the Witch King, but Tolkien's editor told him that there wasn't enough strong female portrayal in the book, so he reworked it for Eowyn to kill the Witch King.

and i like the arwen's song sequence, also when the fellowship get their individual gifts from Lothlorien was cool,

And actally has quite a bit of significance in the theatrical version fo Two Towers.

not to mention watching Legolas killed 5 Urui Kai in 5 seconds was awesome.

Yes, all of the extended battle scenes were awesome, IMO. I would personally not mind watching them all at 5 hours a piece.

 

Sorry this is so late. Vacation is over with ,had to go back to work, and I had to go get my new glasses.

MasterSkywalker86
I would think since your a Leia fan that would be first on you list.
Good one MS86!!!! Well, I am on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick right now when it comes to books. Oh, that's right I am always on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick.

MasterSkywalker86, Joser_Kyind, and ChildOfWinds- you all responded well to Grand Admiral Wettengel and I have nothing to add because you all said it all.

Joser_Kyind- thank you for the link for the KOTOR information. I don't play the games, but I am interested in knowing who the Jedi and Sith are in KOTOR. The EU stuff I read has been from ROTJ on because it has our beloved Luke and Leia. I have started the Clone War books though.

The music of ROTS I love I love. I still listen to the cd in my car and I play number 3 and 9 over and over. But it needs the Duel of the Fates in it and the drum beats at the beginning of the film. I like how John Williams redid the Emperial March when the clonetroopers are looking for Yoda on Kashyyyk so cool. I must admit during Enter Lord Vader I point my fingers like Anakin does and close the doors using the force. Also, during Anakin and Obi-Wan I do the force push with my hands. And not to mention I will recite the lines during Battle of the Heros when Obi-Wan says I have failed you Anakin. I have failed you. And the rest of the lines between Anakin and Obi-Wan. It seems I am addicted to this movie.

Sith-Pirate- hope you had a good talk like a pirate day!!!!!

 

LeiaSkywalker4

Sorry this is so late. Vacation is over with ,had to go back to work, and I had to go get my new glasses.

It's nice to have you back.

Good one MS86!!!! Well, I am on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick right now when it comes to books. Oh, that's right I am always on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick.

LOL!!!

MasterSkywalker86, Joser_Kyind, and ChildOfWinds- you all responded well to Grand Admiral Wettengel and I have nothing to add because you all said it all.

I'm honestly why he even posted what he did in the first place. I find it hard to believe that he actually thinks that way, but it takes all kinds to make a world.

Joser_Kyind- thank you for the link for the KOTOR information. I don't play the games, but I am interested in knowing who the Jedi and Sith are in KOTOR. The EU stuff I read has been from ROTJ on because it has our beloved Luke and Leia. I have started the Clone War books though.

I don't play the games, either, so I heavily research the stories of them. I must say that I was rather disappointed in KOTOR II.

The music of ROTS I love I love. I still listen to the cd in my car and I play number 3 and 9 over and over. But it needs the Duel of the Fates in it and the drum beats at the beginning of the film. I like how John Williams redid the Emperial March when the clonetroopers are looking for Yoda on Kashyyyk so cool. I must admit during Enter Lord Vader I point my fingers like Anakin does and close the doors using the force. Also, during Anakin and Obi-Wan I do the force push with my hands. And not to mention I will recite the lines during Battle of the Heros when Obi-Wan says I have failed you Anakin. I have failed you. And the rest of the lines between Anakin and Obi-Wan. It seems I am addicted to this movie.

I agree entirely.

 

JK


I personally love the extended editions. They put some much of the books back into the films.

they weren't bad just overly long.

Gandalf did defeat the Witch King, but Tolkien's editor told him that there wasn't enough strong female portrayal in the book, so he reworked it for Eowyn to kill the Witch King.

still i feel the wizard shold have hold his own, then have old Nazgul Leader flees to fight Theoden, then have the climatic battle between Eowyn, Merry, and Witch King.

Yes, all of the extended battle scenes were awesome, IMO. I would personally not mind watching them all at 5 hours a piece.

yeah but sadly you would need a vacation just to watch them.

LeiaSkywalker4

Well, I am on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick right now when it comes to books. Oh, that's right I am always on an Obi-Wan Kenobi kick.

Then you must have read the Last of The Jedi books ?

MasterSkywalker86, Joser_Kyind, and ChildOfWinds- you all responded well to Grand Admiral Wettengel and I have nothing to add because you all said it all.

No problem.

 

yeah but sadly you would need a vacation just to watch them.

I would not consider that to be sad.

 

Can anyone help me with a synopsis or summary on DE 2 and EE, I would much appreciate it thanks.


JK

I would not consider that to be sad.

lol, from a different POV, i guess i wouldn't mind, but i always feel guilty while sitting on the couch doing nothing for a long time.

 

Hello, old friend, Ghengis - how are you doing? Closed my thread I see you have done?

Oh well - At least, I got to say my last hurrah in that old thread. I think, old friend, you might have done us a great favor and inject new juice in our fight to keep our MASTER alive, Luke that is, not you - Jedi Ben!

But hey, I think it's time I pass the baton to someone else. Gosh! you guys feel like friends to me. I seem to know most of you even though we've never met. I wish I have more time in this college lab but I don't. My pc is still dead - looks like it's more than the fan. I'm hoping this week it will be done. You know, I was shocked when Child send me the email that they close SOS but I'm glad you restart it JB. This thread is starting on the lightside instead of the dark. This is nice - this thread is now starting on a lightside - no LOUD TITLES anymore!
Thanks JB and everyone else!!

I hope we'll hit another 10,000 posts and keep our favorite Master alive for a very, very long time.

PS. Sith-pirate - thanks for the offer of help. I think our computer guy is a decent man - hard to find people like that and I'm glad he's fixing my pc.

HAVE FUN PEOPLE!!

Skydancer.
No time to change my signature but will do it someday!

 

Stars! I don't know how I'm going to catch up in this thread! ...But that's a very good thing, because it means the SOS thread has been very busy today!

MasterSkywalker86:
Plus that padawan was about in his teen years and progress more then the younglings, plus he actually had a saber.

Exactly!

Joser_Kyind:
This is something that has bothered me as well. Especially since Luke and Mara already displayed the belief that Vergere's fifty year stay with the Yuuzhan Vong had affected her thinking in non-possitive ways.

That's true. It's almost as though someone at Del Rey forgot what was written in Destiny's Way and TUF.

I felt that Williams did a great job of bridging the two trilogies. I felt he took the best themes of each of the films and blended them beautifully.

I can agree with that.

Obi-Wan realised his anger wasn't bad, but acting out of anger, no matter how righteous, would be. He would experience the anger, see what triggered, and then let it pass. It was not until after he did that that he would then act. Bottom line: emotions aren't bad; letting them rule your actions is.

You've hit the nail on the head, I think. Emotions, even anger, are normal. All human beings experience negative emotions from time to time. But it's what one does when one experiences the anger that's important. A Jedi can feel anger, but shouldn't ACT on that anger. That's where the danger lies. One isn't a darksider because one becomes angry. One becomes a darksider by killing a bunch of women and children when one is angry, for example.

quad_gun_jinn:
See I think the NJO are using their emotions as fuel for their actions. They aren ruling them but they are powering them.

Luke, at least, definitely did that when he made the illusion of the Jade Shadow. I have never understood why he needed to use his fear and anger to do that though. As I've said before, he has done even more powerful things in the past without resorting to using his dark emotions for power.

Excellence;
How would I describe what's in Skywalker's mind and heart: confused, uncertain, you ask?
Neither. Remember, he's been actively practising this for 5 whole years!

I guess I did forget that fact. But as I keep saying, it didn't seem at the end of TUF that Luke was planning to follow Vergere's philosophy all that much. He just seemed to decide that he didn't need to hold back the full power of the Force, that this wouldn't lead him to the Dark side. That's a far cry from using anger to fuel your power and torturing people, I think.

No, he's neither confused or uncertain.

Okay, so then what do you think is in his mind and heart? You've said what isn't there. What do you think IS there?

Fighting in a clumsy vac suit in half gravity, unfamiliar turf, air leaking out, movement inexplicably sluggish, your saber blades fizzing out, just waded through how many hundreds of soliders, Welk has an unfair advantage . . . and he ceased the easy throat choke without much reservation.

I was very relieved that he did stop that choke.

He knows how to live by the new mantra; it's his worry if his order can too.

If that's so though, why did Luke think to himself that he didn't like what the war had done to the Jedi and to HIM? Why did he vow to change his ways if he knows how to live by the new philosophy?

It was an experiment, to see their reaction to mild pain---and the overmind's reaction to feeling it too. I don't have a problem with it, the motives were for the greater good---and for them.

But don't you think this is just another example of "the ends justifies the means"? I can't say that I'm a fan of that kind of thinking.

Thanks for your response though. I DO see where you're coming from but I still can't say that I like seeing Luke doing some of the things he does in TJK, and I'm just afraid that this may yet get worse in TUQ and TSW.

Jedi Ben;
* Although, isn't the truth here that they didn

 

Joser_Kyind:
you all responded well to Grand Admiral Wettengel and I have nothing to add because you all said it all.
I'm honestly why he even posted what he did in the first place. I find it hard to believe that he actually thinks that way,

Hey! Look at his screenname! The Grand Admiral admires the Imperial side, I think!

MasterSkywalker86:
Can anyone help me with a synopsis or summary on DE 2 and EE, I would much appreciate it thanks.

Sorry, but I only have a vague recollection of them, MS. They were rather silly, I thought. I know that Luke is nearly killed by some assasin droids or something, and a girl named Jem saves him, but is herself killed in DE 2. There are lots of dark Jedi, and Luke finds Ossus, I think. I don't remember much of importance about EE at all.

Skydancer:
Hello, old friend, Ghengis - how are you doing? Closed my thread I see you have done?

Unfortunately, yes he did! I'm glad to see you found your way over here to the new home thread, Skydancer! I hope you'll be able to stop by often.

Oh well - At least, I got to say my last hurrah in that old thread.

Yes! I'm glad you did get to post in it again before it closed. And a link to that old SOS thread is in the first post of this one, so we can go back and visit it whenever we want.

I think, old friend, you might have done us a great favor and inject new juice in our fight to keep our MASTER alive, Luke that is, not you - Jedi Ben!

LOL! I'm looking forward to JB's response to that!

But yes, we've gained some new posters since part 2 of the SOS thread was started.

But hey, I think it's time I pass the baton to someone else.

Keep posting, Skydancer! This is still the thread that you started. It's just the second car on the SOS train! It's even connected to that Engine thread.

My pc is still dead - looks like it's more than the fan. I'm hoping this week it will be done.

Good luck, Skydancer! I hope it gets fixed soon!

I hope we'll hit another 10,000 posts and keep our favorite Master alive for a very, very long time.

Right! Come back often and help us add to it!

 

MasterSkywalker86

lol, from a different POV, i guess i wouldn't mind, but i always feel guilty while sitting on the couch doing nothing for a long time.

I understand the feeling. I would have to have some friends over and make it a social event, just so I wouldn't feel totally guilty.

ChildofWinds

You've hit the nail on the head, I think. Emotions, even anger, are normal. All human beings experience negative emotions from time to time. But it's what one does when one experiences the anger that's important. A Jedi can feel anger, but shouldn't ACT on that anger. That's where the danger lies. One isn't a darksider because one becomes angry. One becomes a darksider by killing a bunch of women and children when one is angry, for example.

I've thought about this a lot. For me, it really helped to compare the Jedi philosophies with Christian teachings. I kept thinking of the verse from the Bible that says "be angry and sin not." I know that people usually liken the Jedi more to Buddhism, but I've always found strong Christian parallels as well. This also helped with my personal oppinion on the Dark Side.

I don't play the games so I didn't know about any of this. It sounds like they're just rehashing the same story but with different characters and in a different era. I do think it cheapens the films,

I agree completely. In KOTOR II, they reveal that Darth Traya wiped out all but about ten (at the most) Jedi in the space of five years. This really makes Palpatine look less important.

just as I think DE does.

The only things about DE that I felt cheapened the films were Luke going Dark, and Empatojayos Brand being the one that kills the Emperor once and for all. Of course, this led me to a little pet theory that Brand really was Anakin Skywalker, which of course isn't true.

Hey! Look at his screenname! The Grand Admiral admires the Imperial side, I think!

Yeah, but you'd think he wouldn't quite so callous about it.

That's true. It's almost as though someone at Del Rey forgot what was written in Destiny's Way and TUF.

I did feel that the line about anger in Lukes last speech in TUF was poorly worded. I think it left a little ambiguity that could have led to what we see in the Joiner King.

 

I was shocked when I read about the Jedi practising the 'new' philosophy in TJK. At the end of TUF, I thought Luke was talking about a new era for the Jedi, focusing on their personal journeys and Jedi and acting less as galactic law enforcers. I agree that it was ambiguous- it really didn't prepare me for the reversal of ideals seen in TJK.

Well said. Luke was always holding back from using the full power of the Force, following on from what he discussed with Mara in the HOT duology. But then, too much power corrupts, and we saw the ramifications of using too much power when Luke was creating the illusion in TJK. I was also interested by the golden aura that seemed to surround Mara and Luke when they were using to Force to keep themselves going- and the lingering physical effects that were observed afterwards. Mara had a golden aura around her when she was being attacked by the Dark Kiliks, and she still looked a little haggard a month later (but then, her injuries were really bad). The only other Jedi I remember that happening to was Anakin Solo, and the aftereffects of that couldn't really be gauged- as he died.

This is all Jacen and Vergere's fault. The only thing I can say to Jacen is:

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

 

What I think is more important than reconciling the two views is realising what George Lucas intended. The films make it clear that there is a Dark Side and a Light Side. No matter how much the authors may want to screw Lucas over and rewrite his story, he still has the final say.

* Well Joser, my reasoning in attempting to reconcile the two views was based on the notion LFL wouldn't do anything that radical, but would try to make developments appear so. Thus, on the surface it is sold as a redefinement of the dark side, hugely controversial, the net goes into meltdown but then, later in the story, the traditional aspects become re-asserted. It's an old trick that, when done well, is very effective. The problem is it isn't done well, where the new theory works well is it allows war to be a lesser evil to stop a greater, where SW seems to be very clear-cut with things either being good or evil. The problem here is if the rebels are good and the empire evil then does this mean war as waged by the Rebels is good? Surely not, if there was another way they'd take it but there isn't thus it is the least evil act in a time when there are no good options available for action. In the end the question is one of ends and means, why is X done at Y time? Killing a million or so on the Death Star saved billions, thus it was a necessary act.

* As with all magic though, if you can see it working, then it isnt being done well and that's why I dislike TJK so much. They might as well have written on a billboard in 20 foot high letters where they were going. The sheer impasse between the two over the dark side as a thing of nature and intent is irresolvable, thus one has to be shown as flawed and we know which it is going to be. Oh and Luke probably won't be the one to figure it out, it'll probably be Mr Incoherence himself, one J.Solo that does it. Hmm, my cynicism is perhaps gong too far...

Skydancer,

* Great to see you!

Oh well - At least, I got to say my last hurrah in that old thread. I think, old friend, you might have done us a great favor and inject new juice in our fight to keep our MASTER alive, Luke that is, not you - Jedi Ben!

* Awwwwwww....I'm hurt!

But hey, I think it's time I pass the baton to someone else. Gosh! you guys feel like friends to me. I seem to know most of you even though we've never met. I wish I have more time in this college lab but I don't. My pc is still dead - looks like it's more than the fan. I'm hoping this week it will be done. You know, I was shocked when Child send me the email that they close SOS but I'm glad you restart it JB. This thread is starting on the lightside instead of the dark. This is nice - this thread is now starting on a lightside - no LOUD TITLES anymore!
Thanks JB and everyone else!!

* It was a surprise in one way, but we had broke the 10k barrier that brings the Mod Squad into action. My general thought was: Start it up again ASAP!

COW,

Well, no Luke and no other Jedi equals NO Jedi, Right?

* Pretty much yeah. I'm just something of a Wedge fan.

I can VERY easily understand that. I too feel that the Jedi haven't been handled well. And yes, they do seem to be trying to have all Jedi be the same, when different eras should necessitate differences in the Jedi. There are different problems in different eras, so the Jedi need to be able to respond in different ways. It makes sense that they would have different traditions. Besides, any organization that doesn't grow an dchange at all, stagnates and dies.

* Agree entirely.

Prescriptive and restrictive. I agree that this is a poor trade-off.

* But, but, it's for the sake of consistency, it can't be bad, can it?

Sheesh! They wouldn't do that yet AGAIN, would they???

* Looks that way, talking of which, back to Joser...

Well, you could try looking here, although, this is not entirely complete, and some of the dates may be off. However, it should be good eno

 

Skydancer

keep our MASTER alive, Luke that is, not you - Jedi Ben!

LOL

But hey, I think it's time I pass the baton to someone else.

but i hope your not leaving us.

My pc is still dead - looks like it's more than the fan. I'm hoping this week it will be done.

good luck with the repairs.

HAVE FUN PEOPLE!!

when do we not ?

ChildofWinds

I don't know how I'm going to catch up in this thread!

i was wondering why haven't you been answering some of my responses lately, but you have school, so you must be busy 24/7.

But that's a very good thing, because it means the SOS thread has been very busy today!

i think my positivity is rubbing off on you Child.

There are lots of dark Jedi, and Luke finds Ossus, I think. I don't remember much of importance about EE at all.

thanks, hopefully SP or JB can give me more description.

 

What IS this about the pirates anyway?

read about it here

I had a bad copy of JKK2(i wanted to try it out, since I played JK2:JO and JK:JA), but the thing wouldn't work. was it any fun though ?

It had the most interesting story of all of them IMO. I need a good story in order to play a long FPS since they all seem the same after playing the first 3 or 4. It's odd you couldn't get it working. I got it working on Windows XP pro, although the movie clips were a little buggy.

thanks, hopefully SP or JB can give me more description.

Actually most of the Dark Jedi were from DEII. EE was quite short. Palpatine sent quite a few DArk jedi flunkies after Luke & co. I believe Ood Bnar killed a Dark Jedi on Ossus by self-destructing. But that was in DEII.

Re: Being Emperor...Comes with being a Brit mate, we tend to have this inclination to just take over things...

Ah, so you British must have retained more Roman blood then the rest of the Europeans, eh?

 

Since it is requested...

This is for COW's notice only: DO NOT READ! CONTAINS HIGHLY ACTIVE CLASS-5 DE MATERIAL! DO NOT ENTER, LOOK AT OR READ THIS IF YOU ARE COW! (Have to have some fun with this, don't I?)

Now that's done...

Dark Empire 2, published 1994 with the Veitch-Kennedy team, this was actually not as horrific as it is claimed to be but more on that below...

Following the defeat of Palpatine aboard Eclipse Luke started researching the old order and sought out lost or turned Jedi, one of these was Kam Solusar, a Jedi taught by his father who had been turned to the dark side by torture and coercion by the Emperor's Dark Side Elite. Though the Emperor was again dead, the power passed to these Dark Side warriors Palpatine had trained, though none equalled him - suffice to say he recalled his lietenant's betrayal above Endor. They in turn had access to Palpatine's war plans and initiatied the conquest.

Luke came to Nespis VIII a space city dating from the time of the Sith War and engaged Solusar. Luke took Kam Solusar on in a game called LIghtsider and turned Kam back to the light side. As to what Lightsider is, it remains one of the big EU mysteries as the book that was to detail never happened! All we know is Luke returned to Da Soocha with a reformed and haunted Solusar. Luke consulted the holocron and was advised to go to Ossus.

Meanwhile, Sedriss, leader of the Dark Siders, attacked Balmorra, an arms manufacturing planet and was defeated, despite deploying advanced Dark-side empowered cyborg fighters. Sedriss sought to obtain the war droids that had defeated his army. The seller Beltane decided to offer them to the Rebels. Wedge suggested hijacking the freighter being used to transport them to the Empire and attacking Byss! Despite Luke's advising them against it, the plan was agreed. Han and Leia headed for Nar Shaada to seek out Vima, the Jedi they had encountered previously. Luke and Kam headed for Ossus and on Byss, following a schism within the elite, Sedriss killed his fellows who were engaged in sabotaging hidden cloning chambers, to be greeted by his master...

On Nar Shaddaa Han and Leia find Vima but have to tangle with Fett and a couple of the darksiders, who have a Star Destroyer. Han manoevres the destroyer to get it to sucker punch itself with a tractor beam, but Fett pursues. On Ossus Luke and Kam find a tribe of primitive people with intuitive Force ability. Unfortunately Palpatine has despatched warriors in pursuit and a battle ensues where Luke and Kam defeat 40 or so dark troopers and Luke defeats Sedriss with ease, so he resorts to taking one of the Ysanna hostage. He does so near a tree that turns out to be a Jedi Master named Ood who hibernated to survive the Sith War, Ood sacrifies himself to kill Sedriss and save the girl. In doing so he unveils what he was guarding: Jedi lightsabers from thousands of years before.

Meanwhile Fett is still pursuing Han and Leia so they seek refuge in a gas cloud due to Fett scoring several damaging hits. They find a Jules Verne steam tech civilisation ruled by a half-droid Jedi who had similarly sought refuge decades before from Vader. Brand decides to join Han and Leia and his people repair the Falcon. Elsewhere the Emperor knows his warriors have been defeated and creates two new to replace them, at the time he is inspecting the new eapon Umak Leth has built, the galaxy gun. This fires intelligent, shield equipped, hyperspace capable misiles able to destroy a planet and it is placed at the heart of the Empire.

The Rebels strike Byss and cut a swathe through the Imperials, they reach the Imperial Citadel at which point it all goes pear-shaped. The Empire unleashes dark-side created monsters that rend the force to pieces, they are saved by a load of smugglers. In response to the attack, the Emperor decides to test his new weapon. Han flies the Falcon out, ambushes Fett and heads to New Alderaan to see their kids. Luke and Kam arrive at the Rebel base to see a Galaxy missile destroy it! Th

 

No matter what the Jedi kids were dead meat. If only Lucas hadn't had the OJO as baby-snatchers. In RotS, I was really hoping to see Yoda and Kenobi start to remove their heads from their colons. Kenobi said he couldn't kill Anakin, but killing him would have been vastly more merciful than what Anakin's "brother" who "loved" him wound up doing to him. Additionally, I know understand why Vader persued Luke with such intensity--no doubt vastly spurred-on by him being with Kenobi on the DS.

 

Ah, back in the oasis. Your welcome MasterSkywalker86, Joser_Kyind, and ChildOfWinds. Yes, it takes all types to make the world go around.


ChildOfWinds- I am reading Cestus Deception right now. Did you read that book?

MasterSkywalker86- Yes, I read The Last of the Jedi 1 and 2. I liked the books, but as you know I have a thing for Obi-Wan and don't forget Ewan. The first chapter in the first book was so hard to read because Obi-Wan blames himself for Anakin's fall, and the first chapter does have little Luke in it.


Joser_Kyind- You're an Obi-Wan fan also. Cool!!! And I do agree with you that there are Christian parallels in Star Wars.

A question for everbody here. Since we love Luke Skywalker here, what do you think of Anakin Skywalker? I have mixed fellings about Anakin. I can see the good in him, but then I look at all the bad things he did to others. So what do others think about Anakin?