SOS - SON OF SKYWALKER : YOU (THE FANS) ARE MY ONLY HOPE!! SAVE ME... (Spoilers)

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  1. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    MS86,

    why did anakin pulled out ? probably hints of Grievous's whereabouts ?

    * The sieges on Jabiim took place halfway through the wars, so nope.

    yeah i guess the natives weren't too friendly with luke. sounds like an intresting story, do they have a one-shot ? thanks for the info.

    * One-shot? Nah, too big a tale for that, this opening arc is a 5-6 parter, depending on whether you include the Vader tale of Empire 31.

    then you would have a ball with the upcoming star wars tv shows.

    * I'm a bit ambivalent about the TV series, not quite sure how it can do anything of note but we'll see.

    Luke who guides Jacen in a lightsaber duel against Sith Monsters and via Jacen gives his students the guidance they need to work out how to defeat Kun.

    so luke defeats Exar from a certain point of view.

    * That's what I reckon!

    JB
  2. Skydancer Jedi Knight

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    Glad to be back...

    Thanks for the welcome, Child and for keeping this thread alive. =D= I'm taking time off from being stuck in front the TV watching the hurricane unfolded for days now. Glad that they are finally getting their act together. I think my state will be housing some of them in the closed schools of my children and I hope they'll accept me as a volunteer. I just cannot imagine losing everything I own. It's just so sad.

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    Hello kddidit.

    It takes a lot of courage to stand up to temptation to do evil. If the story is well done, then someone might be inspired to get involved. Villains only interest me as to how did they get so messed up and how do the "good" people overcome the villain?

    Yes, I agree that it takes a lot of courage to fight off evil. My point is that they don't have to make Luke so weak in the stories during NJO. It is as if they have no idea what to do with him because he's too strong.

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    Hi MasterSkywalker86, nice to meet you too. I didn't know that there's another one on www.sw.com. I might check it out but I'm really bad at spending time online. Maybe, I'm burned out being online because of all my online classes. :(

    MS86,
    well i do feel that more people tend to like the bad guys more, because the bad guys to them are something that they can't become in real life.( thank god) wink .

    You know MS86, you might have a point here. That is also probably why when I write a story (school assignment), I can't seem to bring myself to kill the bad guy. He is everything that I am not. I'm sure that's where the seduction lies. We want to be what we cannot be.


    so what did u think of TJK ?

    Can I be embarrased here and say that I don't know what TJK is? Like Child says, I've stop reading after the SBS when Mara scolded Luke infront of his crew and I've been avoiding reading the books since then. So much so that when I watched ROTS I was very, very, very cynical, which drove my family crazy. A friend told me that she might get Mr. Lucas to appear in a writing festival, I told her that she might not want me there because I would have a lot of disagreeable questions for him. I mean, a whole lot!

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    Greetings, Sith-Pirate! Well, we do have something in common except I'm lucky to have Child to continue keeping the thread alive. Thanks for supporting this thread. This proves that it definitely take more than one person to finally win a cause.

    Just like you, I hate the fact that they kill off Anakin Solo. He is the most interesting son in the solo clan. They could always make Anakin the antithesis of his namesake and make him a lightsider all the way. I think it would be more challenging to kill one of the twin instead because that would pushed the other twin closer to the darkside.

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    Hi Jedi Ben, looks like you're still active in school as do I. Oh yes, a good trip but flying from one end of the world to another end is sooooooooo tiring. I have jetlag for days!! Funny thing is, I keep hearing people speaking a foreign language when I land in US. It takes me a while to realise that they're speaking English.

    * The problem I have with Vader is that it seems to have gone beyond Vader as excellent villain, with interesting motives and character, to Vader as role model almost!

    That's my point exactly! He's a bad guy and should remain that way, not turn into someone our children want to look up to. It's almost similar to violent video games making children immune to real violence, nowadays. Maybe, the world is getting darker but I'm optimistic that there will be a light at the end of this dark tunnel.

    * The difficulty is it takes a lot of skill to pull it off and NJO had neither the skill nor the ideas to do so. Namely the notion: How to defeat an enemy without becoming it when that enemy surpasses everything in your experience where viciousness is concerned? NJO ducked the issue and opted for an empty, harsh and foolish idealism, advocated by Jac
  3. ChildOfWinds Chosen One

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    MasterSkywalker86:
    yeah very true, this storm really shows how powerless we really are and how priceless the gift of life is. I just hope all the survivors get help and relief.

    Amen to that!

    thanks, my english professor didn't even show up the first day, so it seems college is a lot more flexible than highschool.

    You're kidding me????? That NEVER happened to me in all my years of college and graduate school! Did he not know when classes began???

    I hope this year will be more pleasant with my ford escort. you also be careful too.

    Thanks! You too!

    well i don't care for bad guys, unless they were once good then bad and then ultimately good.(anakin, Apostle Paul) I like to think that anyone can have a redemption, but again that is just me.

    I like to think that anyone can have redemption too. Good point about Apostle Paul.

    Although I'm grateful that Anakin saved his son's life, I'm afraid I still don't like the character that much. And I'm with you about anti-heroes. I don't care for the "bad boys" either. Heroes should ACT like heroes. They should be good role models. That's my opinion anyway. I too prefer the bonafide heroes. Maybe that's yet another reason I didn't like DE. It was as though they were trying to make Luke into something of an anti-hero.


    I'm sure JB didn't mean it like that, besides what r u worrying about ? i'm sure luke gets out of it ok, luke is in the hands of the force.

    You're probably right, MS. I was just teasing our English friend a little bit. ;)

    I like to think Luke can pull the strings if he had to, but is modest and humble about polictal power.

    That's a good way to put it!

    Excellence :
    How does that make for suspenseful and dramatic reading 4 you, Jedi Ben?
    basically that's how I felt about prequel books in Eu and also about the PT,


    You make a very good point here, MS. I think that's one of the major reasons I didn't care for the prequels. Not only did I find it hard to connect to the characters, but I pretty much knew the most important things that would happen: Darth Vader would turn to the Dark Side and the Jedi would be purged. The "how" of it was even less interesting than I had expected. And the parts that I was most anxious to see, the parts that connected to the OT, were pretty disappointing. How could 2 minute old Leia remember her mother? What a stupid reason for condemning Luke to the desert world while Leia lived in luxury in a palace! (Just because Bail wanted a girl.) The actual birth and naming of the twins was lame. Their mother never even said a loving word to them or begged Yoda and Ben to see that they were cared for. It was like she basically didn't even care about her children. If she would have died due to a combination of injuries suffered in childbirth and because of Anakin's Force choke, fine, but just giving up when she had just given birth to two helpless children who would be totally alone in a dangerous galaxy without her was EXTREMELY disappointing and weak.

    I'll post this now and then respond to the rest of the posts.
  4. MariahJade2 Former Fan Fiction Archive Editor

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    Glad to be back...

    Wonderful to have you around again. :D

    Thanks for the welcome, Child and for keeping this thread alive. I'm taking time off from being stuck in front the TV watching the hurricane unfolded for days now. Glad that they are finally getting their act together. I think my state will be housing some of them in the closed schools of my children and I hope they'll accept me as a volunteer. I just cannot imagine losing everything I own. It's just so sad.

    I have to force myself to turn the TV off because otherwise I'll just sit there with my mind glued to everything. Philly offfered early on to house some of the refugees, but we haven't heard anything so far. The scope of everything is so large. What upsets me is the thought of people still being trapped in attics.


    Yes, I agree that it takes a lot of courage to fight off evil. My point is that they don't have to make Luke so weak in the stories during NJO. It is as if they have no idea what to do with him because he's too strong.


    I know Skydancer, and it seemed that they couldn't understand that there was a middle ground between making Luke all powerful and a weakling. How about writing a complex human being with great powers attempting to solve a huge crisis. Maybe not all of his ideas would work, but he should have been shown being a leader rather then an unsure, weak man that needs to take advice from kids.



    Maybe, I'm burned out being online because of all my online classes.


    You still taking classes?

    You know MS86, you might have a point here. That is also probably why when I write a story (school assignment), I can't seem to bring myself to kill the bad guy. He is everything that I am not. I'm sure that's where the seduction lies. We want to be what we cannot be.

    Or at least understand how and why someone can be that way. When a person who shows evil leanings is around, we have to stop and look because it's not commonplace for one, thank God, and it serves to remind you exactly how important goodness is. That it's opposite is dark and scary and that's a part of ourselves we don't like to look at. Because of that, we find it easier to look at it in others to distance it.


    Can I be embarrased here and say that I don't know what TJK is? Like Child says, I've stop reading after the SBS when Mara scolded Luke infront of his crew and I've been avoiding reading the books since then. So much so that when I watched ROTS I was very, very, very cynical, which drove my family crazy. A friend told me that she might get Mr. Lucas to appear in a writing festival, I told her that she might not want me there because I would have a lot of disagreeable questions for him. I mean, a whole lot!


    It's that new book,The Joiner King. I don't like using the acronyms because the title's they stand for or the names don't always automatically come to mind all the time. I know it's a pain to write them out, but I prefer that so I try to do it.

    So you were sceptical of Rots? And how did you feel afterward? :)




    They could always make Anakin the antithesis of his namesake and make him a lightsider all the way. I think it would be more challenging to kill one of the twin instead because that would pushed the other twin closer to the darkside.


    Yes. Jacen would have been the choice since Jaina was on the way there anyway. Anakin could have been a great apprentice for Luke and it would have been fun to see them fight together.



    JB: How morality can survive in the inferno of war is a question with much depth to it, but it requires very careful handling to give a positive answer that avoids falling into the flaw of glorifying war.


    That is a very tough question, especially when we have just seen first hand how close to the surface our veneer o
  5. ChildOfWinds Chosen One

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    Jedi Ben;
    As weird and disturbing as that sounds, I think you're actually right! How can ANYONE consider Vader to be a role model????
    * Given the fan following he has acquired, it seems the answer is: Easily.


    It's disturbing, isn't it? Very sad too!

    * Hence nominations for greatest SF villain on an SFX poll years ago read: Darth Vader, not that Anakin Skywalker imposter!

    I wonder if George Lucas actually realizes what he's done? Some idiots are idolizing child-killing, wife-choking psycho Anakin Skywalker, while other people find that super-villain Darth Vader has been diminished for them.

    Plus, he made Anakin, a nasty villain and sicko his major hero; while diminishing in importance the good and honorable Luke. Through his films and emphasis on Anakin, it's like George Lucas himself is putting a villain on a pedestal while striking down a true hero. :(


    * But at Luke's request, .

    I didn't remember that. I guess I thought I had remembered that Lando had suggested it, but Luke didn't talk him out of the plan. ;)

    * Luke was captured by the Jabiim rebels who were not exactly ecstatic to see him, now they are all prisoners of the Empire.

    I'm sure they will be treated like royal guests... NOT!:(

    WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT??????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!! Six more issues????? Wasn't this supposed to be a five part story that was interrupted with another comic in-between ????
    * Cow, Cow, Cow, don't have a cow woman! Go away, get a cup of coffee, relax, sit down...


    :::Taking deep breaths:::: Okay, I'm a little calmer now. LOL!

    * In The Shadows Of Their Fathers is a 5-part arc that has been split in two with a linking story that shows how Vader gets involved with Jabiim again. The point of the story is to deal with Anakin Skywalker's betrayal of Jabiim and to show what happened afterwards and have Luke face the consequences of his father's acts.

    Okay. That part I knew. I thought that was going to be the end of the story.

    That's the thing about comic books. They go on and on and they're really expensive for the small amount of story that you get. Think about it: If one comic book costs about $3.50 and you need 6 to finish the story, that means that skinny little comic book actually cost you $21.00. But in my case it really costs me more than $50.00 as they charge me so much for shipping. That's highway robbery! While I'd love to read more SW material that involves Luke, I would much prefer to have more novels instead. For about $7.00, I could get about 350 to 450 pages of story, with more characterization and plot too. It's a much better deal.


    However, a couple of logical Q's would be:
    * What does Vader do with the info he gets? This is covered in Empire 35.
    * What happens to the Jabiim rebels? Empire 36-40 deals with Jabiim formally joining the Rebellion.


    So Luke really won't be involved in those issues probably. True?

    * This particular arc will resolve the issue it exists to do so, but can't do the larger issues that arise as a result.

    Okay. I get it now. So I really WILL get a resolution to the story after those 6 issues, right?

    * Are you kidding? We're getting one of the best Classic era stories going, it isn't being rushed, the art and characerisation is damn good and you get a great looking Luke and you're not happy?!

    Well, you know that I don't like comic books very much. For me, there ISN'T enough story, plot, or characterization. It's all pictures and a little dialogue that doesn't really tell much about the character's inner thoughts. As I said, I would definitely prefer more novels.

    * Since I don't require the characters to undergo death or injury

    I don't like having characters killed or injured either.

  6. Auditor Dredd Force Ghost

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    JediBen

    The sieges on Jabiim took place halfway through the wars, so nope.

    well I heard anakin was force to pulled out, so it must have been something important.

    One-shot? Nah, too big a tale for that, this opening arc is a 5-6 parter, depending on whether you include the Vader tale of Empire 31.

    too bad i would have bought the one-shot but if it spans 5 volumes then my wallet loses intrest. :(

    also i have some good news about sw battlefront 2, you can play as that lovable rogue of yours......;)

    Skydancer

    www.sw.com. I might check it out but I'm really bad at spending time online. Maybe, I'm burned out being online because of all my online classes.


    well before i started following this thread i usually looked at the starwars board one. here's the link . it shows that luke fans in general have been dissappointed with his characterization in NJO. but you have online classes, that's pretty wicked. ;)

    You know MS86, you might have a point here. That is also probably why when I write a story (school assignment), I can't seem to bring myself to kill the bad guy.

    well for myself when i play KOTOR & KOTOR 2, i can't seem to be the bad guy, i mean i can't just slaughter people and toy around with their lives. I always like going the light path and walking the right path and helping people despite their silly sidequests.

    Can I be embarrased here and say that I don't know what TJK is? Like Child says, I've stop reading after the SBS when Mara scolded Luke infront of his crew and I've been avoiding reading the books since then.

    o yeah Child told me that, sorry i just assumed. anywho well since you have been avoiding books since SBS, I suggest you skip to TUF and SQ. Luke was well characterized and has a lot of action, since he doesn't hold back his power in TUF and SQ luke is smart and resourceful.

    So much so that when I watched ROTS I was very, very, very cynical, which drove my family crazy. A friend told me that she might get Mr. Lucas to appear in a writing festival, I told her that she might not want me there because I would have a lot of disagreeable questions for him. I mean, a whole lot!

    well i would ask the guy several questions about him letting Del-Rey holding back his power, not acting like himself, and not being in the action. I want Del-Rey to give me some solo luke books in the classic era, new republic era,& even NJO era. Did you like ROTS ? I did like seeing luke as little baby.

    ChildofWinds

    You're kidding me????? That NEVER happened to me in all my years of college and graduate school! Did he not know when classes began???

    well i went on rate my professors.com and he seems to be a good professor, i guess his summer break didn't end yet.

    I like to think that anyone can have redemption too. Good point about Apostle Paul.

    thanks!!

    I'm afraid I still don't like the character that much. And I'm with you about anti-heroes. Maybe that's yet another reason I didn't like DE. It was as though they were trying to make Luke into something of an anti-hero.

    well i'm cool with you not liking anakin, i like him a bit, but as i said before he has nothing on his son. I wouldn't go that far calling luke in DE a anti-hero, he just seem confused under the Emperor's side. anywho it would be very cool if we can see luke fight without his saber ala TJK & DE. have him face an entire army of stormtroopers alone. It would be too unfair for..... the empire. o sorry i changed topics there, but my point is let's see the savior of the galaxy do more things heroic.

    You're probably right, MS. I was just teasing our English friend a little bit.

    LOL, IT'S AMAZING THE REACTION YOU GET FROM PEOPLE WHEN YOU TYPE IN CAPSLOCK!!

    The "spirit form" of Luke stood with his students and helped them defeat Kun too.


    just got your latest post,
  7. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    I ddin't find Cloak of Decept restricted as you coined it, Jedi Ben. Rather, the continual intrigue kept you thinking one thing, yet turned out to be another. You had a prominent cast of characters unknown to you too, so anything was for the takers.
  8. Sith-Pirate Jedi Master

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    well i think you did mention a bit of it before, but you make good disscussions and also you are very perceptive, so naturally i would think you can make a great topic.

    Thanks for that. It's a nice change of pace from all the arguements I've been through with nearly all the most famous individuals on these boards. I think when I was a newbe, the first thing I did was get into a fight with Genghis because I said the Bantam books were more like the OT then the Del-Ray books are. I've been in at least two fights with Valiento over the validity of Splinter of the Mind's eye. And most recently I was in a fight with Thrawn McEwok because I said Jag had no personality, which I took back but I wouldn't agree with him that his relationship with Jaina was worth more then last sunday's garbage.

    To be honest the Anakin Solo thread was kept alive more by dp4m then me. It was his main thread before becoming a mod. There were several other very likable individuals whe helped. Namely Tahiri, Jedi_Anakin_Solo, and Tahiri-Solo.

    Good point. Personally though, I don't like it when they kill any major characters. As MJ's motto says, "Better read, then dead." With ever character they kill off, they have that many fewer story possibilities for the future.

    Agreed. Can't say I mind too much when they kill an evil one though. ;) If we didn't have Lucas' help, Del-Rey would have killed Luke off in VP. It makes me angry whenever I think of it. HOW THE HECK CAN THEY EVEN CONSIDER KILLING ANY OF THE BiG THREE? I mean aren't they the reason why the majority of us read the eu? It makes no freaking sense!
  9. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    COW,

    I wonder if George Lucas actually realizes what he's done? Some idiots are idolizing child-killing, wife-choking psycho Anakin Skywalker, while other people find that super-villain Darth Vader has been diminished for them.

    * I think Lucas over-estimated the inteligence of the audience, he thought Anakin would be recognised for the negative role model that he is in the PT before finally becoming good at the end in ROTJ. The problem lies in how he expounded this, as if Anakin can be both bad but comes out smelling of roses because of his one good act in ROTJ.

    Plus, he made Anakin, a nasty villain and sicko his major hero; while diminishing in importance the good and honorable Luke. Through his films and emphasis on Anakin, it's like George Lucas himself is putting a villain on a pedestal while striking down a true hero.

    * I'm not sure it was intended to come across that way, but nonetheless, it can appear this way.

    * But at Luke's request, .

    :::Taking deep breaths:::: Okay, I'm a little calmer now. LOL!

    * See, caffeine solves all.

    Okay. That part I knew. I thought that was going to be the end of the story.

    * Of this bit, yes.

    That's the thing about comic books. They go on and on and they're really expensive for the small amount of story that you get. Think about it: If one comic book costs about $3.50 and you need 6 to finish the story, that means that skinny little comic book actually cost you $21.00.

    * Where do you get this figure from? Last I heard the cost of Empire was $2.99 an issue, which for a 6-issue series equals $18 which is the price of a DVD which only gives you a couple of hours fun, ;) , or a hardback book which may give you fun if the story is any good.

    But in my case it really costs me more than $50.00 as they charge me so much for shipping. That's highway robbery! While I'd love to read more SW material that involves Luke, I would much prefer to have more novels instead. For about $7.00, I could get about 350 to 450 pages of story, with more characterization and plot too. It's a much better deal.

    * Except that quantity isn't always indicative of quality. If a story is shorter but brilliantly excecuted and gives you a huge amount of enjoyment then those benefits should off-set the financial costs. In any case, you know full well why comics are the price they are COW: A lot of people are involved in creating them combined with a small audience, thus higher prices. There may be as many people involved with books or DVDs but due to the much higher audience numbers, they are sold much cheaper.

    * The way it is looking, you may want to try Amazon and not bother with issues but purchase TPBs instead, with SW it is guaranteed the stories will be collected. Then you're looing at a $15 collection plus post, you get the story bound and without ads. Believe Amazon.com is offering a Amazon Prime service, know very little about it, it may be worth a look.

    * As to why I'm trying to find ways of wrangling this, it looks like the comics are the only source of classic action, so it'd be nice if you can get access to the stories without paying the earth - I think you're being ripped off on the shipping though, but guess that's the down side of living in a large country! ;)

    So Luke really won't be involved in those issues probably. True?

    * Unknown. There has been talk of a story with Luke, Han and Leia in the trenches on a world in a hard fight with the Imperials, it may be they have decided to do the story as Empire's finale. It's also thought to involve an Imperial viewpoint, so we might to get see a scarier side to the trio. Also, it isn't like Luke to leave with a job half-done, he may decide to see it through to dispell his father's poisoned legacy.

    Okay. I get it now. So I really WILL get a resolution to the story after those 6 issues, right?

    * Frankly, the Anakin-Luke plot requires resolution or it'll get stale very quickly, so I reckon so.

    Well, you know that I don't like comic books very much. For me, there ISN'T enough story, plot,
  10. Auditor Dredd Force Ghost

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    Sith Pirate

    Thanks for that. It's a nice change of pace from all the arguements I've been through with nearly all the most famous individuals on these boards.

    well everybody has their different opinons on things. I just respect people's different views and either agree or disagree with them.

    o i think i agree with you on the Bantam books, Darksaber felt like what a starwars book should be, but Del-Rey had some good books ala TUF, SQ, RS, VP, and TJK. i just think Del-Rey just needs more time to fix things.

    To be honest the Anakin Solo thread was kept alive more by dp4m then me. It was his main thread before becoming a mod. There were several other very likable individuals whe helped. Namely Tahiri, Jedi_Anakin_Solo, and Tahiri-Solo.

    still you made a wonderful topic, though wasn't anakin made to be like luke ?

    JediBen

    5-6 issues, my friend, issues, not volumes, volumes refers to either a collection or an entire series!

    can you forgive me i was tired last night. ;), but if there is 5 issues to the series, why don't they make a one-shot ?

    "Do you really want me to turn this on?"

    after the brawl Luke goes to the bar and ask the bartender," I'll have chocalate milk, shaken not stirred." ironically I'm going to watch Die Another Day tonight, one of my favorite bond movies.

    Skydancer

    A friend told me that she might get Mr. Lucas to appear in a writing festival, I told her that she might not want me there because I would have a lot of disagreeable questions for him.

    Sky I have question, if your friend gets GL to go to the writing thing, can you have your friend ask a question for me please. I would appreciated it greatly. the question is what is the exact midi-chloridian count of anakin and his offspring ? thanks.

    -MasterSkywalker86
  11. ChildOfWinds Chosen One

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    MariahJade2:
    I know Skydancer, and it seemed that they couldn't understand that there was a middle ground between making Luke all powerful and a weakling. How about writing a complex human being with great powers attempting to solve a huge crisis. Maybe not all of his ideas would work, but he should have been shown being a leader rather then an unsure, weak man that needs to take advice from kids.

    I agree wholeheartedly!

    Anakin could have been a great apprentice for Luke and it would have been fun to see them fight together.

    Yes, I would have liked to see them work together as a team. I think they would have made a very good team. Now I'm hoping that we get to see Luke and Ben work together as a team someday. I want Luke to be Ben's Jedi Master, NOT Jacen!

    Speaking of teams, someone said recently that he'd like to see the OT characters paired in different ways now and then in books. I think that's a great idea actually. I'd like to see Luke and Han work together again or Luke and Leia, and I'd like to see Leia and Mara work together sometime too.


    That is a very tough question, especially when we have just seen first hand how close to the surface our veneer of civilization is and how quickly survival is the only thing you have left.

    And how suddenly and quickly one can find oneself in a situation where survival becomes the primary motivation. We have only to look to the Gulf states to see that.

    I DO hope things will start to get a little better very, very soon for those poor people affected by that hurricane. That was truly a nightmare come true for so many. Now they're even saying as many as 10,000 may have died! :(


    MasterSkywalker86;
    I want Del-Rey to give me some solo luke books in the classic era, new republic era,& even NJO era.

    Like you, I'll take Luke in whatever era I can get him, MS!

    well i went on rate my professors.com and he seems to be a good professor, i guess his summer break didn't end yet.

    That was a good idea to look up his rating. I'm glad he seems to be a good one. Maybe he truly didn't know that school had started yet, though how that could happen, I really don't understand. As you said, maybe he was still on vacation.

    but my point is let's see the savior of the galaxy do more things heroic.

    Yes, I would LOVE to see Luke doing more heroic things...and NO dark things! :(

    LOL, IT'S AMAZING THE REACTION YOU GET FROM PEOPLE WHEN YOU TYPE IN CAPSLOCK!!

    People notice it anyway! ;)

    maybe if he wasn't attacked by Kyp & Kun he could have defeated Kun himself.

    That's what I would have liked to have seen!

    also what if they had a SW tv show cartoon-wise with the OT characters ?

    That would be better than a PT or Clone Wars cartoon...Though JB might disagree.

    Sith-Pirate;
    I think when I was a newbe, the first thing I did was get into a fight with Genghis because I said the Bantam books were more like the OT then the Del-Ray books are.

    LOL! You got into a disagreement with Genghis too, huh??? So did I. One of mine involved the dreaded DE. There was another one involving the NJO too, but I don't remember the specifics right now.

    Can't say I mind too much when they kill an evil one though.

    No, that doesn't bother me either. I guess I should have been more specific. I don't like to see any protagonists killed off.

    If we didn't have Lucas' help, Del-Rey would have killed Luke off in VP. It makes me angry whenever I think of it. HOW THE HECK CAN THEY EVEN CONSIDER KILLING ANY OF THE BiG THREE? I mean aren't they the reason why the majority of us read the eu? It makes no freaking sense!

    I KNOW!!!!! I couldn't believe it when I read that for the first time. I think I saw it in the SW Insider. I was SO upset! Did they think no one would care if Luke were gone????!!!!
  12. Auditor Dredd Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 8, 2005
    star 4
    Good News Luke is playable in SW Battlefront 2, this is going to be GREAT!!!!! here's a link you might have to go on the other pages though.

    ChildofWinds

    I'm in such a good mood right now, you can play as luke in battlefront 2. this is going to be fun.:)

    Like you, I'll take Luke in whatever era I can get him, MS!

    just give us a good solo luke book Del-Rey!!!

    I really don't understand. As you said, maybe he was still on vacation.

    maybe but some professors are known not to show up sometimes.

    Yes, I would LOVE to see Luke doing more heroic things...and NO dark things!

    exactly, let the hero be the hero, please.

    That's what I would have liked to have seen!

    no arguements there.

    That would be better than a PT or Clone Wars cartoon...Though JB might disagree.

    yeah it would be so much better, but i think Jb would have a hoot for either. I'm so happy that you get to play as luke in SW game, it has been so long where you can swing his saber in a good SW game.
  13. ChildOfWinds Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Apr 7, 2001
    star 5
    MasterSkywalker86:
    can you forgive me i was tired last night. , but if there is 5 issues to the series, why don't they make a one-shot ?

    As JB said, I think eventually the five issues will be put together into one paperback.

    "Do you really want me to turn this on?"
    after the brawl Luke goes to the bar and ask the bartender," I'll have chocalate milk, shaken not stirred."


    LOL! ;)

    Good News Luke is playable in SW Battlefront 2, this is going to be GREAT!!!!!

    Sounds good, MS! You sound very excited about it. Too bad I'm not a video game player. I'd probably be very excited too! I AM happy that Luke is included in the game. Does this game take place during the Rebellion or after RotJ?

    just give us a good solo luke book Del-Rey!!!

    I'd even be happy with any good book that has a good Luke characterization in it.

    exactly, let the hero be the hero, please.

    That should be our new mantra!

    yeah it would be so much better, but i think Jb would have a hoot for either.

    Who knows? He may even decide he likes one with the OT characters better.

    I hope our friend across the pond isn't too upset with our fancy colors today! ;)

    By the way, JB, I'm really enjoying Magician! I haven't had as much time as I'd like to read it, but it's a good read. Quite creative. I'm about mid-way through Magician: Master.
  14. Shelley Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Sep 9, 2001
    star 5
    But the idolization that people have for Mara Jade is entirely normal.


    I don't see anyone "idolizing" Anakin Skywalker. I see people who understand/sympathize with him, as a tortured, complex person who makes all the wrong decisions for all the wrong reasons, but still has some good in him. If he didn't, he never would've been able to reject the Dark Side, to save his son.

    Darth Vader was never a super-villain in the first place. Palpatine is the super-villain.

    He did? Seems to me he made him his main character. That's quite apart from making him a major hero. Lucas himself has described Anakin as a whiny brat, power-hungry, arrogant, etc.

    I don't see how he's putting Anakin or Vader on any kind of pedestal, or diminishing Luke. Luke is the one who saves Anakin's soul. He rejects what Anakin did not reject. How has he been diminished?

    Maybe because she already knew they would see that they were cared for?

    I don't see how. They weren't "alone" anyway. She knew that Yoda and Ben would make sure they were cared for, which they did, and how would she have been able to protect them better than Yoda and Obi Wan would have, anyway?

    "The Joiner King" is good so far, at least with the characterizations. I really liked Han and Leia, but then, Denning has consistently written them well. I even found Mara tolerable, which is a small miracle.

    I don't like the way Luke has so readily accepted the idea that there is no Dark Side.
  15. rhonderoo Former Head Admin

    Member Since:
    Aug 7, 2002
    star 9
    COW,

    I wonder if George Lucas actually realizes what he's done? Some idiots are idolizing child-killing, wife-choking psycho Anakin Skywalker, while other people find that super-villain Darth Vader has been diminished for them.


    Jedi Ben,

    Can we please talk about the films and characters and not the fans? Calling fans "idiots" is against TOS. ;)
  16. Jedi Ben Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Jul 19, 1999
    star 6
    Sorry, Rhonderoo, but what you?ve quoted is me quoting COW!

    I?ve found the quote feature a bit confusing, thus an alternative system of asterisks to mark my replies has been in place a while now!

    JB
  17. Sith-Pirate Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 16, 2001
    star 4
    * Everyone gets in a fight with Genghis as a newbie! Hell, I registered here and 2 months later VP came, ba-BOOM! Off it all went.

    Heh. You and COW both. I guess it shouldn't suprise me since it seems all of us here are in many ways like-minded. We all like the Bantam books better and Genghis hates them.


    * Hmm, but you never really know what TME is thinking, the guy's too playful by far!

    It's funny you said that because when I was dabating with him and noticed one of his under-the-table insults, and I thought to myself. "Well, he must be from the British high society Jedi Ben rescued his wife from." It wasn't a serious insult, just poking fun at my arguments.

    well everybody has their different opinons on things. I just respect people's different views and either agree or disagree with them.

    That's the best policy to have and I think we all share it here on this thread. Each of of have had disagreements with eachother on this thead, but none of which I would catagorize as "fights"

    Some guys come off a bit more rough-around-the-edges. To them, they're normal, but to the rest of us they're being rude. There's some indivduals including Valiento and Bib Fortuna Twilik that kinda snap if you say anything doesn't fit into continuity well. Some think it's okay to put in small jabbing insults against you, but cry foul if you try the same against them. It's best to just end things with people like that and say "Let's just agree to disagree."
  18. Jedi Ben Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Jul 19, 1999
    star 6
    COW,

    I think I'll have to wait until you let me know what the other 5 are like. If you think they're worthwhile, I may take your advice and purchase the compilation issue from Amazon.com.

    * You mean the next arc, all right, I'll keep throwing in the reviews!

    It is certainly true that quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality. So I will concede that you are right and I was wrong about this. Still, at least with a 350 page book I can get about 5 or 6 hours worth of reading, while a comic book takes me about 10 minutes tops. Of course, that's not saying how many times during that 5 or 6 hour timeperiod that I'm tempted to toss the book at the nearest wall. I had to use my Jedi patience to overcome that temptation while reading most of the NJO books.

    * In which case you may have been better off with the alternative! ;)

    I think I'm being ripped off too. It doesn't cost Amazon that much to send five or six books to me! And if I spend 25 dollars, which is very easy for a classroom teacher, (I'm always
    buying children's books!) I don't need to pay postage at all with them.

    * Sounds like Super Saver Delivery, believe it's reduced recently.

    I wouldn't like it either if Luke left the job half-done! Okay. I'll wait until you tell me whether Luke, Han, and Leia are involved and whether you think the story is worth it. Then I'll purchase it through Amazon in one book, if I can.

    * I'll have the answer for you in about 3 months at the rate DHC are releasing Empire! :(

    I agree that Melo's art is quite good. But I still don't think you get inside a character's head all that much in comic books.

    * Perhaps, but it depends on how much depth you are looking for, if you consider that storyboards are used in making movies, effectively comics almost, then we could consider comics a form of static movies, with all the strengths and weaknesses of its younger brother.

    7 comics for 2005-2008!

    Seven different stories?

    * The ones known are Republic 78-83, which is a 1-parter, 2-part and a trilogy plus the Purge one-shot. May be others in due course.

    You too, huh? LOL! I guess you're right that everyone gets into a fight with Genghis as a newbie! Maybe it's the initiation rights of the boards?

    * I dunno...

    * Hmm, but you never really know what TME is thinking, the guy's too playful by far!

    Sounds good, MS! You sound very excited about it. Too bad I'm not a video game player. I'd probably be very excited too! I AM happy that Luke is included in the game. Does this game take place during the Rebellion or after RotJ?

    * If it is anything like the first one, it'll offer various eras, probably Clone Wars and Rebellion both.

    I hope our friend across the pond isn't too upset with our fancy colors today!

    * You lot are never gonna shut up about that, are you? ;)

    By the way, JB, I'm really enjoying Magician! I haven't had as much time as I'd like to read it, but it's a good read. Quite creative. I'm about mid-way through Magician: Master.

    * Which tells me you liked the first one enough to continue! Cool.

    SP,

    Heh. You and COW both. I guess it shouldn't suprise me since it seems all of us here are in many ways like-minded. We all like the Bantam books better and Genghis hates them.

    * Hmm, I dunno, Bantam's denial of Marvel's stories was probably the proverbial torch to ignite Genghis.;)

    It's funny you said that because when I was dabating with him and noticed one of his under-the-table insults, and I thought to myself. "Well, he must be from the British high society Jedi Ben rescued his wife from." It wasn't a serious insult, just poking fun at my arguments.

    * Heheheheh, I doubt that, as the implied lines would be considerably nastier and very hard to spot. TME likes to have a fun time, I think.

    Some guys come off a bit more rough-around-the-edges. To them, they're normal, but to the rest of us they're being rude. There's some indivduals including Valiento and Bib Fortuna Twilik that kinda snap if you say anything doesn't fit into continuity well. Some think it's
  19. Sith-Pirate Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 16, 2001
    star 4
    * Hmm, I dunno, Bantam's denial of Marvel's stories was probably the proverbial torch to ignite Genghis. ;)

    Yeah, I'm sure you're right. I guess it would annoy me too except I didn't read the Marvel stuff until just this year since it's been out of print so long. But that just goes to show you how long Genghis has been into Star Wars.

    * Heheheheh, I doubt that, as the implied lines would be considerably nastier and very hard to spot. TME likes to have a fun time, I think.

    Well, you'd certainly know more then me in this catagory. ;) He does enjoy trying to twist your words against you...... Then again, who doesn't? He's just probably better at it then most and he sadistically enjoys himself.

    * Right, yep, that'll work...Fool! This is the Internet, have you not seen Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back?

    [face_laugh] You're right, it won't. I just wanted to give MS a positive outlook on things. Now I'm sure you traumatized the poor kid.
  20. ChildOfWinds Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Apr 7, 2001
    star 5
    Three weeks until the Joiner King!

    Shelley
    I don't like the way Luke has so readily accepted the idea that there is no Dark Side.

    He believes in a Dark side according to TUF. I don't like the way he uses negative emotions to power the Force in TJK though. But I'm glad he's concerned about the Jedi and what they are doing. I'm just disappointed that Denning had the Jedi regress like that in the first place. They seemed to have the whole Force philosophy worked out at the end of TUF and it was nothing at all like what we got in TJK. I wish there would be more consistency between books.

    rhonderoo;
    Jedi Ben,
    Can we please talk about the films and characters and not the fans? Calling fans "idiots" is against TOS.


    Sorry. That was my quote, not JB's. I guess I should have used a less negative noun. I was annoyed and wasn't thinking. My comment was pretty generic though. I wasn't specifying anyone in particular.

    Sith-Pirate;
    Heh. You and COW both. I guess it shouldn't suprise me since it seems all of us here are in many ways like-minded. We all like the Bantam books better and Genghis hates them.

    And he LOVES the comic books too!

    Some think it's okay to put in small jabbing insults against you, but cry foul if you try the same against them. It's best to just end things with people like that and say "Let's just agree to disagree."

    Yes, that's what I usually do when it's obvious we've reached an impasse. It's not worth arguing about or repeating over and over. It's obvious neither side is going to change opinions and it just becomes a worthless waste of time.

    Jedi Ben:
    * You mean the next arc, all right, I'll keep throwing in the reviews!

    Okay! Thanks!

    Of course, that's not saying how many times during that 5 or 6 hour timeperiod that I'm tempted to toss the book at the nearest wall. I had to use my Jedi patience to overcome that temptation while reading most of the NJO books.
    * In which case you may have been better off with the alternative!


    LOL! Probably true! ;)

    effectively comics almost, then we could consider comics a form of static movies, with all the strengths and weaknesses of its younger brother.

    I guess a static movie isn't my thing!

    How can Luke be involved in the Clone wars???

    * You lot are never gonna shut up about that, are you?

    Probably not! ;)

    * Which tells me you liked the first one enough to continue! Cool.

    Yes, I did, and I even bought the next one too.

    * Hmm, I dunno, Bantam's denial of Marvel's stories was probably the proverbial torch to ignite Genghis.

    LOL! Probably !!!!! I wish Bantam would have kept Dark Horse's DE out too! ;)...Waiting for a rise out of JB....

    Sith-Pirate:
    I just wanted to give MS a positive outlook on things. Now I'm sure you traumatized the poor kid.

    Maybe he did! I don't see a post from MS today! :(

  21. Auditor Dredd Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 8, 2005
    star 4
    What a day!![face_tired] Woke up to go to school, then after college i decided to go look for my friend's gift in many stores. Of course it wasn't in any of them, as usual. Afterwards I went to one of the busiest nights that can exist in a supermarket, after my shift was over i walked to my car to find out i had a flat tire. :_|

    though i called for roadside assistance and the guy put the spare tire on for me.(very friendly) afterwards i discovered all my tires were very low,(filled them all up tonight) and if it wasn't for the flat i would be stranded at my school or worse. ;)


    ChildOfWinds

    Child don't you mean 3 more weeks til TUQ ?

    As JB said, I think eventually the five issues will be put together into one paperback.

    well the thing is I'll probably lose intrest about it by the time that happens. I mean we got coming out TUQ, ROTS on dvd, SW BF 2(with LUKE!!!!), also i might also buy an xbox 360, samurai champloo volume 5(my fave anime), x-men legends 2(videogame), batman begins on dvd, and brother in arms 2(best WW 2 shooter). O and Child the xbox is a video game console i own made by microsoft, the xbox 360 is the successor to the xbox. ;)

    Too bad I'm not a video game player. I'd probably be very excited too! I AM happy that Luke is included in the game. Does this game take place during the Rebellion or after RotJ?

    the game takes place in two different eras prequel(clone wars/ROTS) and classic. the first one was like a basic shooter, but better. First off you had two different views(3rd or 1st person), you can get into any SW vehicles, the character you choose affects the gameplay, and you had so many modes to play in. basically the game has you on one side and you must capture enemy bases and reduce the enemy to dust. it was very fun, there was so many people on the screen.

    Now for the sequel they have enhanced the weapons, have more planets, now have space levels( you can fly an x-wing and board an enemy's ship), and play as jedi.(from luke to yoda) there is plenty to choose. did i mention they enhance the graphics ? ;)


    I'd even be happy with any good book that has a good Luke characterization in it.

    Amen to that!!

    That should be our new mantra!

    i agree, let the savior save the galaxy.

    Who knows? He may even decide he likes one with the OT characters better.

    I hope our friend across the pond isn't too upset with our fancy colors today!


    LOL!!O come on i'm sure he is dazzled by the vividness you bring to the thread. :p

    Maybe he did! I don't see a post from MS today!

    No it has been a very long day/night for me.

    SithPirate

    That's the best policy to have and I think we all share it here on this thread. Each of of have had disagreements with eachother on this thead, but none of which I would catagorize as "fights"

    well there are worse boards, alot of worse boards.:p ironically it sounds just like thrash talking through xbox live or playing online. I have to say though this is one of the most polite threads around and i'm glad i'm somewhat apart of it.


    Some guys come off a bit more rough-around-the-edges. To them, they're normal, but to the rest of us they're being rude.

    everybody has their different perceptions, perhaps he felt he wasn't being rude and maybe that's the way he acts. I know that i had a debate with a poster and he would not let down his arguing statement. perhaps he wanted to enlighten me of his view or prove he was right and i was wrong. i think you know the answer i'm thinking of.;)

    You're right, it won't. I just wanted to give MS a positive outlook on things. Now I'm sure you traumatized the poor kid.

    thanks for the protection & the positivity SP, but i have been already corrupted by playing xbox live. Do you know how many people "thrash talk" when they die????

    courtesy ala imdb

    Holden: If the buzz is any indicator, that movie's gonna ma
  22. Sith-Pirate Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 16, 2001
    star 4
    I know that i had a debate with a poster and he would not let down his arguing statement. perhaps he wanted to enlighten me of his view or prove he was right and i was wrong. i think you know the answer i'm thinking of.

    Believe me I know how that feels. Posters like that should be lined up on a wall and shot! ;)

    I bet the guy was arguing about Mace vs. Sidious too right? Nutty fenatics need to be commited!

    Well at least he didn't insult you did he? :p
  23. Auditor Dredd Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 8, 2005
    star 4
    well no SP it was on the most powerful jedi thread. I was telling the guy luke could have defeated the emperor and anakin and luke have the same force potential. while he posted anakin is the chosen one and there will be no other......blah,blah.:p if you want i could give you a link to the thread page.

    I mean is it so hard to believe that all the skywalkers have the same force potential ? , GL clearly stated anakin, luke or leia could have defeated the emperor and also they have the same force potential, they probably have the same midi-chloridan count. I mean look at the tremendous things luke has done with the force and he became a jedi knight within a year of a week of training, he must be one of the youngest to become a jedi master as well at 29. also conviently luke became a knight the same age as his father. Luke is his father's son.
  24. Jedi Ben Chosen One

    Member Since:
    Jul 19, 1999
    star 6
    COW,

    Yes, I did, and I even bought the next one too.

    * That'll be Silverthorn, where some quite scary stuff happens, fortunately Arutha and co are up to dealing with it. One thing I like about Feist is he doesn't write morons for heroes, if a moron does appear chances are they won't be around for long or they're a villain or irritant. At the same time he does try to show the harshness of a medieval era, so as to not make it too rose-coloured an image.

    LOL! Probably !!!!! I wish Bantam would have kept Dark Horse's DE out too! ...Waiting for a rise out of JB....

    * You may try, you will fail. ;)

    MS86,

    well the thing is I'll probably lose intrest about it by the time that happens. I mean we got coming out TUQ, ROTS on dvd, SW BF 2(with LUKE!!!!), also i might also buy an xbox 360, samurai champloo volume 5(my fave anime), x-men legends 2(videogame), batman begins on dvd, and brother in arms 2(best WW 2 shooter). O and Child the xbox is a video game console i own made by microsoft, the xbox 360 is the successor to the xbox.

    * Agreed: Batman Begins is a must-buy. Although another great film is Ong-Bak, see it if you can, main actor Tony Jaa is amazing. As for the Empire collection, I'm sure someone will happen to mention it's out here so tipping you off.

    LOL!!O come on i'm sure he is dazzled by the vividness you bring to the thread.

    * As I type this post, I'm wearing shades! Such is the incandescent array of colour in this thread!

    No it has been a very long day/night for me.

    * Flat tires do have that effect! ;)

    JB
  25. Sith-Pirate Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 16, 2001
    star 4
    well no SP it was on the most powerful jedi thread. I was telling the guy luke could have defeated the emperor and anakin and luke have the same force potential. while he posted anakin is the chosen one and there will be no other......blah,blah. if you want i could give you a link to the thread page.

    Ah, well, I guess I was a little paranoid thinking you were referring to our little discussion regarding Mace vs. Sidious.

    I mean is it so hard to believe that all the skywalkers have the same force potential ? , GL clearly stated anakin, luke or leia could have defeated the emperor and also they have the same force potential, they probably have the same midi-chloridan count. I mean look at the tremendous things luke has done with the force and he became a jedi knight within a year of a week of training, he must be one of the youngest to become a jedi master as well at 29. also conviently luke became a knight the same age as his father. Luke is his father's son.

    Before I didn't think Luke was his father's equal. But after ROTS, I really don't see how it can be disputed. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago, Anakin had not reached even 40% of his potential. It was made clear (to me at least) that by ROTJ Vader was more powerful then he'd ever been. In ANH he tells Obi-Wan "When we last met I was but the learner. Now I am the master." How could he make this claim if he was weaker then ROTS? He couldn't. So Luke defeated his father when he was more powerful then he'd ever been.

    I know alot of people use the fighting choreography as proof that Vader was weaker. This is false though. There's numerous flaws in fighting scenes in ALL movies. The reality is that heavier props were chosen for the OT, so the fights were very power based broad sword-like fighting. In the PT is was decided they would use lighter props and therefore the fighting was changed to Kendo sword fighting style.

    My in-universe fix is that Vader found using power and strength was more effective then speed. I also think the only effective counter would be to match that strength and power, which Luke did. Of course muscle is not needed for strength when one has the force! :)
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