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Lit Species Bias

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Chewbacca89, Dec 5, 2012.

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  1. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well, his decoy was a human for a while, so it might be a reference to that. Or it could be ego based- Jabba THE Hutt.
     
  2. Kyris Cavisek

    Kyris Cavisek Jedi Knight star 4

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    Originally I thought Hutt was intended to be a title not a species. Hutt was like saying the Don. It was later that it became his species
     
  3. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Wasn't it "Hut" early on? The comics always spelled it that way- I'm not sure if the ANH novel did though.
     
  4. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    Anzati... :)
    Some days ago, I met a couple of Anzati in a cantina. They weren't that bad! Nice people...
    Everyone has to eat, right? Survival of the fittest...

    Gungans... :)
    Hoojibs... :)
     
  5. TrakNar

    TrakNar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    On the topic of Hutts... A few years ago, when my brother and I were working on our audio adaptation of Yavin Vassilika, we were reading over Embra and Malta's dialogue to find various vocal tics and nuances that helped characterize them, so that we could come up with voices for them. We looked at what they said, how they said it, how they described their business practices, and used that to determine some tired stereotype from which we could springboard off of. Here's what we came up with:

    Malta is an old Hutt who is set in his ways. He's sneaky and underhanded, he doesn't trust his employees, and he's not above simply offing them if they displease him. He's like Jabba, only more so. Judging by his appearance and how he bickered with Jabba and Embra because they were too "soft" on their hired help, we felt that a Don Corleone voice suited him well. To us, old fat Malta was a classic mafia don.

    Embra is a young upstart who became successful rather quickly. He's new to the scene, but he is definitely not naive in any way, shape, or form. Embra believes in straight-forward business practices and takes the time to get to know the people in his employ. He doesn't readily threaten his clients with death by rancor, and he told Jabba and Malta that their old ways simply were not viable ways to maintain a proper organization. He is also big on paperwork. No doubt does his own accounting, too. To us, Embra was a Jewish stereotype, and his voice was modeled to suit. I was basically instructed to do a "male Fran Drescher."

    Embra and Malta, after a while and despite their brief appearances in the comic (only one issue and then a voice-over from Embra at the end? They deserve more than that!) gradually took on lives of their own. While we played around and became comfortable with the voices we selected, we moved them beyond their initial stereotypes. Granted, any new bits of their personalities may only find their way into fanfic, but Malta and Embra had grown into their own. In that instance, stereotypes were our friends. Its gave us something to go on. And really, if that's what it takes to get a character personality started, so be it. Use it as a stepping stone, but don't use it as a crutch.
     
  6. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    The thing about zeltrons is that we rather quickly were introduced to many members of their species and they all acted like life was a party. Interesting some of the named zeltrons that has appeared "lately" in the EU are weary un-zeltron-like: Demagol, Chantique, Vianna D'Pow.

    the mon cal Morn was part of the Black Sun syndicate and had attained the rank of Vigo

    Huh, I always saw Neimodians as British

    Is there anywhere this one can hear this audio adaptation?
     
  7. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    Oh even Dani and Blue are somewhat of a breaker in trends here given their thrill seeking, though granted that might just fall under extreme Hedonism. There is also Lyshaa how just happened to enjoy killing a little to much.


    There are also a few Mon Cal pirates, Slavers and Bounty Hunters

    He! We Brits are way more like the Hutts then the Neimodians. :p
     
  8. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think I heard it said once that "the Hutt" was originally a title.

    And arguably still is - the lower ranked Hutts tend not to be known as "the Hutt", at the most being called "the H'uun" or something like that. Plus, there is some linguistic evidence that in Huttanese "Hutt" means "glorious."
     
  9. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It seems that in Huttese, adjectives go before the noun (as exemplified by "D'emperiolo teesaw," translated as 'Imperial cruiser' or "Huttuk koga" rendered as 'Hutt-sized bed.'*) In fact, Hutt probably means something like "jewel," since Nal Hutta is "glorious jewel." It's still quite grandiose!

    * Both examples come from the Galactic Phrase Book & Travel Guide, and there are many others.
     
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  10. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Why do you see it that way, hunter?
     
  11. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    The Empire building thing.
     
  12. General Immodet

    General Immodet Jedi Master star 4

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    I always considered Empress Teta (from the TOTJ comics) to be British.
     
  13. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    We really need more Empresses/Emperors, much more fun then Kings and Queens.
     
  14. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Ah, I see. To me the Hutts are more Italian: once prude imperial builders, now known for their corruption, mafia and bunga bunga parties

    the Neimodians remind me of the East Indian trading company
     
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  15. Darth Droid

    Darth Droid Jedi Knight star 2

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    This may have been said already, but the Vong really spring to mind here. I know we did get to eventually see more sides of them, but there still aren't any particularly "good" members of their society.

    Also Hutts and whatever species Sebulba is
     
  16. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Dugs? They get a bit more support in TCW.
     
  17. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Why do you see Neimodians as Asians and Corellians as Italians?

    Why do you see Corellians as Texans?
     
  18. Joe

    Joe Jedi Master star 6

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    I could see Corellians as Texans because of the rogue, independent "cowboy" spirit of both.
     
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  19. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    The Dugs in TCW were still pretty bad.
     
  20. Gamiel

    Gamiel Force Ghost star 6

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    Unlike the toydarians who are nothing like the redneck Watto
     
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  21. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 6 VIP

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    In response to the OP:

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  22. jacktherack

    jacktherack Jedi Master star 4

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    "Peoples see two Devaronians Together, peoples assume they are up to something. Peoples are usually right." -Vilmarh Grahrk
     
  23. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Did Grahrk really just stereotype his own species? :confused:
     
  24. jacktherack

    jacktherack Jedi Master star 4

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    pretty much although to be fair he was just trying to get a point across to his cousin that they should not be discussing certian things in public.
     
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  25. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    Oh, yeah. His cousin. From those comics Before Vilmarh Was Popular.
     
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