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Rogue One [Spoilers] Inconsistencies with the rest of the saga

Discussion in 'Rogue One: A Star Wars Story' started by 11-4D, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. 11-4D Jedi Master

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    Minor or major, what kind of inconsistencies did you notice in the movie?

    Minor af, but the ones I noticed:

    • Rebel spies did NOT beam the DS plans to the Tantive as Vader claims, they were beamed to that other ship and delivered by hand to the Tantive.
    • Why would Captain Antilles claim they were on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan? He just witnessed Vader slaughter a ton of rebels before he literally watched them make the jump into hyperspace. Does he think Vader is an idiot?
    Any other ones? :)
  2. DV-213 Jedi Padawan

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    It was actually true what the rebel said to Vader: "We intercepted no transmissions". :)
  3. Flex Madine Jedi Knight

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    Why would Captain Antilles NOT claim they were on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan?

    As you noted - he just witnessed Vader slaughter a ton of rebels. Did he have any other good options?
  4. TCF-1138 New Films & Fan Films Mod from the Far North

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    1. The plans were beamed to the larger ship - then carried over to the Tantive IV. So it was essentially correct.
    2. That totally wasn't the Tantive IV... it was the... other ship... Tantive III. Or Tantive V.
    Or Sundered Heart.
  5. Lulu Mars Jedi Grand Master

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    You lost me there. Leia was not on the Tantive IV at the end?
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  6. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    Opening post sums up my thoughts. Vader's comment contradicts the end of the movie- he should've said that "This damn ship escaped right under my nose with plans that were physically carried there!":p
  7. TCF-1138 New Films & Fan Films Mod from the Far North

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    Oh yeah, absolutely. I was making a joke, as in that would be Captain Antilles' excuse to Vader.
  8. AndyLGR Jedi Master

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    The Tantive was on the ship the plans were sent to, so for all Vader knows the plans were beamed directly to the Tantive, so I wouldn't say thats an inconsistency.

    Technically the ship was on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan, because it contained Leia and it was going to Alderaan. The plans weren't on board the ships computers either so if it went before the senate I suppose Leia would say they've been attacked and theres no proof that what the Empire wants is on there.
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  9. Darth Downunder Chosen One

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    Don't think there's an issue with this. Vader knew the plans were beamed to the Rebel ship/ships. That is, the frigate & the blockade runner that was docked at the time. As far as he's concerned, the two ships are one & the same in relation to the transmission they received.
    Also, I can't see how Cap't Antilles would definitely know that Vader personally boarded & attacked the frigate. So he thought it was worth trying to lie his way out of it, even though it's canon now that Vader knew for an absolute fact that he was full of it, since he watched them depart with the plans. Maybe that's why he threw him against the wall with such gusto.
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  10. DV-213 Jedi Padawan

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    When Vader actually boarded the Tantive IV he did it a little less calm then when trying to get the plans in the air dock. :)
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  11. themoth Jedi Master

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    He probably thought he had the plans in his reach.
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  12. Qotsisajak Jedi Padawan

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    This thread is great for discussion, and this was a great question to kick off with:

    I'm letting A New Hope run now, having watched Rogue One earlier because I just can't get enough of it right now. I noticed Leia said the same thing.

    Thus, my impression is that the whole diplomatic mission thing was something the Rebels decided on as their cover, i.e. "ok, everyone, if you get captured, give them your name, number, and the diplomatic mission spiel, and that's all you tell the Imps. Everyone keep to the same story!"

    I further looked it up and found both Bail Organa and Leia used their positions as Senators to grant diplomatic immunity to their ships, including the Tantive. Thus, it really made sense that the whole crew would just spout that line, because that's the procedure on the ship.

    I'm trying to think of things to ask in this thread and I'm having a hard time finding another point to add.
  13. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    I think there is no problem with rebels lying desperately to Vader but the fact that Vader only says that transmissions were beamed to this ship seems odd since Vader saw much more than that- he saw the very same ship escaping from the capital ship that lead the rebel attack on Scarif shield gate. It just seems obvious that it doesn't perfectly fit to what happened in Rogue One. Sure it is not the first time in saga- actually a lot of lines in saga are odd in similar manner because original choice of words gives different impression of things and retroactive change makes them bit odd, not really contradictory, but still weird in a bigger context of things. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi talking about Anakin's past and how they met and Yoda being his jedi master etc. They are not strictly speaking contradictory just bit weird.
  14. Ricardo Funes Jedi Knight

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    The transmission was beamed to Tantive IV in a sense it was docked inside a larger ship, therefore technically when they received the transmission, it was the same ship.

    More like the lifeboats of a ship are considered part of the ship until they are deployed.
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  15. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    The thing is that Tantive 4 didn't only receive transmissions but participated in the battle (as part of larger ship) so it is odd that this extremely incriminating evidence is not mentioned- Vader only says they received transmission from the rebels but they did much more- they were part of the attack against the imperial installation.
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  16. Freelancer257 Jedi Master

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    Unless I've missed something, Threepio and Artoo are (apparently) on Yavin 4 when the battle of Scarif takes place. That means the Tantive 4 has to go back to Yavin and collect the droids before ANH starts, while Vader is in hot pursuit.
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  17. Alienware Jedi Master

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    They're on Yavin when the Rogue One team departs. We can presume that they boarded the Tantive when the ship departed later with the rest of the squadron.
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  18. TCF-1138 New Films & Fan Films Mod from the Far North

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    Well, in that case the Death Star plans should also be at Yavin when ANH begins.

    Threepio and Artoo probably boarded Tantive IV right after we saw them in the film.
    Something like this:

    C-3PO: "Why don't anyone tell me this things? [I don't remember the exact words]"
    Captain Antilles: "Goldenrod, Grease Bucket - come on, the ship is leaving in two minutes and we need you on board!"
    C-3PO: "Oh dear, oh dear."
  19. Dory Vader Jedi Knight

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    Hence, . . . "you are part of a Rebel Alliance and a traitor, take her away!"
  20. ObidioJuan Jedi Master

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    Wow, if these are the only inconsistencies (and you can make a case they're not real), I think they did a great job in the movie!

    Of course have to wait until more peeps see it

    :cool:
  21. MS1 Jedi Padawan

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    The captains claims are fair. In a working democracy there is a sense of Diplomatic Immunity and the plans are evidence of the Empires conceit to take to Alderaan and the senate. Unfortunately for them they are at the very point where all democracy is about to disappear as does any sense of immunity.
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  22. Jango_Fett21 Jedi Grand Master

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    I won't get to see the movie until later, but the things that are being mentioned really aren't "inconsistencies" so much as they are tiny 'retcons'.
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  23. MotivateR5D4 Jedi Knight

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    The two guys who would eventually pick a fight with Luke in the cantina. They must have left Jedha shortly after bumping into Jyn and Cassian right? Or else they would have died when Jedha was destroyed right? Do we have an explanation on whether they left Jedha almost immediately after we see them in RO?
  24. Larsonator Jedi Padawan

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    Yeah and you would think the Empire wouldn't be letting anyone leave the city while they were there. So they probably just happened to get lucky and leave in the 2 minutes between the Star Destroyer leaving and the DS firing.
  25. Master_Fwiffo Jedi Master

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    It was longer than 2 minutes - remember, the SD started leaving when the group was being escorted to Saw's. Probably a hell of a lot of people wanted to get the hell out of there ASAP.
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