[spoilers!] Indiana Jones IV

Discussion in 'Lucasfilm Ltd. In-Depth Discussion' started by StarDude, Feb 28, 2002.

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  1. k-man Jedi Knight

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    I think the story should NOT revolve around politics of the 50's/60's because the Russians are just not that interesting as bad guys. I could be wrong, but let's face it: Nazi's are universally accepted as the guys you love to hate and it would be tough to capture the same dynamic in a different political advasary. I think instead it should be removed like Temple of Doom was.

    And as far as Indy's kid, guy or girl, I think it would be a mistake. Do we really need more characters? Instead I think they should reintroduce Shorty and Willie Scott --

    Now just hear me out...

    Remember Wu Han in the beginning of Temple of Doom? Well, I feel like that's what Short Round should be -- like Sallah of sorts. And Willie I see as running a night club but now she's a woman with connections and can get certain information.

    Just my $0.02 worth.
  2. DarthMaul13 Jedi Youngling

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    I don't want to see Short Round, because he isn't that spunky little kid anymore. Kate Kapeshaw is just plain annoying so she shouldn't be in it either. I hope to God Calista Flockhart isn't in it.

    Characters that should return are Sallah, Indy's Dad and Marcus Brody.

    No little kids please. Ever since Spielberg and Lucas have had kids, they seem to throw them in every one of their damn movies. Forget the kids, let's have fun with the adults.
  3. k-man Jedi Knight

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    I believe Denholm Elliot (Marcus Brody) died after Last Crusade.

    I'd like to see those Temple of Doom characters, particularly Short Round (maybe by now he's Tall Slim), because I hate that the Indy movies introduced them and then left us hanging with no mention of what happens. Shorty in particular -- what would that say about Indy as a character, to have picked up this orphaned kid, taken care of him, then abandoned him? I'm not saying they should be featured, but just give me a little something -- show some evolution.
  4. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    Yes, I believe Denholm Elliot passed away in '91.

    Speaking of which, a friend and I were discussing his passing and how it would affect Indy IV. That's why they went back to the first formula for LC.


    Now, Speilberg, Darabont, and Lucas could go the Temple of Doom route. But Speilberg promised something Biblical and he was crushed with Temple of Doom.

    However, another direction they could go is have Indiana Jones fill in Brody's shoes. He could have his job and live a peaceful life at the beginning of the movie. But then something comes up and he decides to go on one last adventure taking him around the globe (or China).
  5. k-man Jedi Knight

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    Kinda like calling the old general out of retirement? Like Obi-Wan in ANH?

    I like it. In the beginning of the movie he lives the simple life of a college professor, no more globe trotting then something pulls him out of "retirement."

    Could definitely work.
  6. UK Sullustian Force Ghost

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    I've recently been looking at this in my own mind as less a "Indiana Jones 4" but more as a sequel to the Indiana Jones saga. A Different Indy to what we saw before. An old, "retired" Indy. Having to pick up the fedora and whip one last time.

    A sorta "Return of Indiana Jones" if you will, rather the trying to make it another in the sequence, ala a Bond film.

    UKS
  7. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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  8. k-man Jedi Knight

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    Like a general being called out of retirement -- a more intelligent Indy (like in last crusade) as opposed to an all action Inday (like Temple of Doom).
  9. Leto II Jedi Master

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    The Indiana Jones IV script is now completed.

    Here's today's latest, from over at SCIFI.COM:

    Indy IV Script Is Done

    Harrison Ford told SCI FI Wire that Frank Darabont has completed his script for a proposed fourth Indiana Jones movie. "Steven [Spielberg]'s quite happy with it," Ford said in an interview. "I'm expecting to see it in a couple of weeks."

    Ford added that he worked closely with director Spielberg, Darabont and executive producer George Lucas on the story. "The way the process works is that George and Frank work together, then Steven gets the script, then I get the script, and we all work together. We all met together and talked about it before they started writing."

    Ford said that he remains eager to reprise his most famous role because of fans' demands for a fourth installment in the franchise. "It pleases me to play a character that audiences want to see," he said. "I know that it's eagerly anticipated, and I want us to do a good job, make a film at least as good as the ones we've made before." The fourth as-yet-untitled Indy movie is slated to begin filming in the summer of 2004, with an eye to a July 2005 release.
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  10. Sara_Kenobi Force Ghost

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    Here are a couple of spoliers I heard while being at a Indy film Charity Marathon afew weeks back:


    1. Karen Allen will be in Indy 4

    2. Indy will be Ford's age.

    3. All the folks from the last one are supposed to be back for Indy 4. ( I have no idea as to who. That's all my Mayor said.) 8-}

    That's all I know. ;)
  11. malducin Jedi Master

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    Well they could definately havew some of the politics of the late 50s. After all they were dealing, even if peripherally, with such settings in the first 3 films. And I don't think you can consider Temple of Doom removed as it dealt with the British imperialism in India and of course the Thugee and Kali cult were real.

    No little kids please. Ever since Spielberg and Lucas have had kids, they seem to throw them in every one of their damn movies. Forget the kids, let's have fun with the adults.

    Werll Spielberg has used kids long before he had any of his own, like Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET, Temple of Doom, and of course produced several others with kids in prominent roles like Poltergeist, Goonies, the Amazing Stories TV show (I believe one he directed focused on one child), and even the Color Purple had the first part of the film with mostly kids.

    And yes Denholm Elliot passed away from AIDS complications.
  12. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    Who do you guys think would make a good villain?

    I'm thinking Jet Li, Alan Rickman, or Garry Oldman.
  13. malducin Jedi Master

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    Nahhh I would rather have a character actor, or maybe an english one that is not well known in North America. I think Jet Li would be too out of place unless he didn't do martial arts. Rickman is probably too high profile after Potter, but Oldman sounds interesting. I still be rather suprised by seeing a solid but not instantly recognizable name.
  14. UK Sullustian Force Ghost

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    There is a rumour going round the e-web that Spielberg will NOT be directing.

    This is (allegedly) straight from Sean Connery's mouth.

    UKS
  15. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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  16. skyy38 Jedi Youngling

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    Whatever happens for Indy IV I hope the Director and Producers keep a few things in mind:

    1)Keep Douglas Slocombe behind the camera.He is the connective tissue of the Trilogy,visually speaking and seeing his work in the successive movies after "Raiders" was like seeing an old friend after a few years absence.

    2)Likewise,keep Michael Kahn as the film editor.He and Slocombe fit together like two spoons.

    3) Use the CG sparingly and only for practical applications.The past movies did well with this approach(even pre-CG) and it helped to "keep it real",much like Indy himself.Splatter on the CG and you risk becoming a parody of those "Mummy" movies.
    Don't "innovate" for innovations sake-keep it solid.
  17. Bib Fortuna Twi'lek Jedi Youngling

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    I once heard a rumor that Mark Hamill may play the villain in Indy 4; he'd play Belloq's brother.
  18. malducin Jedi Master

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    Well Michael Kahn is a given since Spielberg has used him in all his films, he has been the longest running collaborator of Spielberg.

    Slocombe would be tough. He is like 90 years old, probably retired and the last film he is credited with is The Last Crusade. A better bet would be Janusz Kaminski since he has been working with Spielberg in his last few movies. I would have my doubts for him for an Indy movie, but he did prove flexible after shooting Catch Me if You Can.
  19. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    Don't forget Dennis Muren as the Special FX Supervisor. ;)
  20. malducin Jedi Master

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    Interestingly enough each iof the Indy films has had a different VFX supervisor. Muren has been involved in the most important Spielberg films, though he is not the only one. Scott Farrar was the last one on Minority Report (Catch Me If You Can and apparently Terminal didn't use ILM). It'll be interesrting to see who will be, especially since Muren might also be involved in Episode 3 (he has already hinted in an interview this might be the case).
  21. -_-_-_-_-_- Manager Emeritus

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    I hope to God Calista Flockhart isn't in it.

    Characters that should return are Sallah, Indy's Dad and Marcus Brody.

    No little kids please. Ever since Spielberg and Lucas have had kids, they seem to throw them in every one of their damn movies. Forget the kids, let's have fun with the adults.


    Amen, brother.


    Who do you guys think would make a good villain?

    I'm thinking Jet Li



    Why don't we call DMX while we're at it too?
  22. skyy38 Jedi Youngling

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    If Slocombe can't make it,then the only one I could suggest would be Dean("Dances With Wolves")Semler...
  23. StarDude Jedi Grand Master

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    Unfortunately, Denholm Elliot, who played Marcus Brody, has been dead for some time now.
  24. Darthkarma Jedi Master

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    SO WHAT if the man is dead?

    That doesn't mean he couldn't be in the film!

    He could be a CGI ghost!

    Anything's possible nowadays. :)

    OK, I hope most of you realize I'M KIDDING!
  25. jp-30 Manager Emeritus

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    In filmmaking it isn't unheard of to use different actors to play the same character...

    ;)
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