Naw, Macho and I are just joking. We are good buds, we just like to bash each others programs. I know Electric Image is awesome, I've said it many times. Had the Composite Toolkit came out when I first started 3D, I would most definately be an Electric Image user. I started using 3DS Max, cause my computer graphics teacher had it. She didn't know what it did though....lol. Some student asked the teacher for a 3D prog, so she got it for the class. From then on, once I started doing graphics, she let me pick out any software I wanted for the class, and it was ours. That year we got Adobe Preimere, After Effects, Photoshop, and 3DS Max 4.2.