ST ST Criticism Discussion Thread

I’ve heard the FO described as scary in the same way that less competent dictators can be. The kind who throw out the rule book and do things their own way. The kind who promote less qualified people into important roles. The kind who have big egos and make things personal and are highly emotional. The kind who reward nepotism instead of efficiently choosing the best candidates. The kind who do things most wouldn’t do and yet still keep getting what they want and doing damage to the world.

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/18/from-vietnam-to-trump-the-last-jedi-as-protest-film

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...order-younger-take-evil-empire-old/951007001/

 

I just imagine them standing around Kylo in that rainy night scene AND holding the ignited lightsabers too.
Do not underestimate the power of the lightsaber meaning and visual.

I dont care about KoR cause they look like typical Boba Fettes fodders. Give em the lightsabers - and you gonna question both their background, look and powers. Youd be eager to watch them fighting.

Honestly, if theyd show now the teaser with just a glimpse of all KoR igniting their lightsabers, id watch that effing 9Episode.


I wont care the previous two movies were garbage (in my opinion), id watch it just to see the massive Jedi vs Sith fight.

Are you even fun, Lucasfilm?

 

That’s how I see it as well. The Empire was built from decades of existing military training and schools and recruitment.

The FO has some old survivors like Cannady and Peavy but it’s mostly the children of that group and the stolen children who comprise the FO.

There seems to have been considerable financial interest by those who profited most by the Empire (almost like the Koch brothers or something) and wanted another movement like it so they have a lot of great weapons and significant amount of capital but clearly lack the maturity and veteran savvy and military wisdom that used to define the old Empire.

Their troopers at least seem to shoot a little more accurately (Jakku) and can hold their own a little better in hand-to-hand combat (Finn/FN-2199). So, if they’ve made improvements anywhere beyond tech it seemed to be mostly Phasma & Hux’s efforts with the stolen kids (or at least some of them anyway).

 

My theory on Snoke is that he ran a gladitorial tournament that wealthy people used to come and watch in the outer regions and was contacted by Hux’s father to help make a new guard for for FO leadership similar to the Emperor’s old guard to protect the leader. I imagine him hiding his Force powers initially and seeming more like a wealthy promoter of this tournament with an office clad in red. People would come in and present their sons and daughters or apprentices and hype them up to him as worthy of becoming part of the entertainment. This is where Snoke’s theatricality comes from in part but he also hates having to put it on for people. Snoke learns of the new Jedi temple Luke Skywalker is building. He’s interested in possibly having a Jedi in his tournament. He arrives with the guard who are then dressed less ceremoniously. They still seem cool to the young people watching. Luke tells him to leave and Snoke persists on the advantages and tells him he can make a sizable donation to the Temple. Luke is stern that he must leave. Ben Solo is excited by the idea of a tournament and this conflict between Snoke & Luke. Snoke makes eye contact with him, smiles and leaves. From that point on Snoke sneakily starts communicating with Ben via the Force and eventually tells him about his grandfather.

Snoke brings the Praetorian guard as security to the FO who are all former employees in the tournament and respected champions. Snoke kills some of the FO leadership in ways that don’t lead back to him and then makes his move. The guard stay loyal to him because he’s looked after them since they were young and rewarded them with luxuries.

After turning them and leading to the temple massacre, Snoke brings Ben Solo and the students to watch a tournament and then to the training area where the guard practiced. Shows them the weapon room. Tells them that unlike the Temple they can take anything they want and do what they want because they’re special. They each choose new weapons except for Ben. Ben doesn’t like any of them. Snoke encourages him to build a new saber in Vader’s honor since he’s ready to lead.

 

We do have some info on Snoke from the TLJ adult novel.

 

Those SWTOR trailers are exactly how they should do it. “Return” is even better. That fight is up there with the Maul/Qui Gon one. I don’t think we ever saw a proper two on two fight in the saga. Master and apprentice vs master and apprentice. May be too late to get that in 9


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IMO they should save that for a KOTOR-like trilogy (or movie series) by hopefully the GOT-people. It is their best chance right now with the markets who weren`t enticed by their first exposure to SW with the ST. Multiple lightsabers igniting - green/blue on one side and red on the other - would be a great trailer shot for that.

Episode 9 has no chance whatsoever in those markets, no matter what the film does as neither the story nor the characters did take in those countries, so I don`t think it would be the best idea to waste such great future promo material in it. What they have to do with 9 is make a non-divisive film in the exisiting SW-markets. Which would IMO be done if you redeemed the OT. If that is possible. And nope, not via Kylo Ren.

 

I definitely agree. It would have been great to see Luke and Rey in action. Overall, I like Rey better in TFA than in TLJ.

 

The actual important tidbits in the books are relevant to material already decided upon. As the SG guy said - they’re working from a roadmap. There’s stuff in active development that won’t see the light of day for years. And “anything is subject to change” is simply a truism. Technically it’s possible that in 10 years the entire franchise will be rebooted. But “possible” =/= “probable.”

 

I think everyone like TFA Rey more)
TLJ one isn't even a character - its the Idea, the tool, to influent Kylo Ren. Its hard to like the tool.

 

Poor Mark got himself back into shape for nothing it would seem.

 

What is this based on? Is there an announcement or rumor that he’s not in IX I haven’t heard about? Besides the assumptions from the shaving, I mean.

 

I wish the world would speculate about me every time I shaved.

 

I’ve seen/heard no indication he won’t be in 9.

 

I meant for TLJ/TFA actually. He doesn't even get to do much physically.

 

Well, he asked James Gunn if he need "unemployed" actor for GotG 3, and then said he won't be against to star in The Witcher TV series.
Given he didnt participate in any big movies while shooting Ep7/8, it safe to assume that he isn't involve into Ep9 shootings, since he started to search for the new projects.
Maybe I'm wrong of course.

 

I don’t think Mark would troll so much if he weren’t in it.

 

That just sounds like more of the usual from him, continuing to take subtle pot shots at TFA/TLJ

 

More proof that its a clone in Ep8!