ST ST lightsaber battles. Mirror PT or OT?

All I want is clean cinematography and no ridiculous things. No weird shaky camera effects (they give me headaches) or strange focus effects (also give me headaches) or obscuring the action with lens flares or light sources burning 70% of the frame. I don't mind people force jumping over other people if it looks natural, but I do mind needless twisting or saber clashing or twirling. I think the duels should return somewhat to the OT duels, but they should have the energy of the PT duels, minus the needless acrobatics.

EDIT: I also hate excessive extreme closeups.

 

Story wise it depends on the skill of the combatants.

2 warriors at full skill was never seen in the OT. Fully trained fighters were seen in the PT so they knew what they were doing.

The different duels were coming from such different places based on the story and characters.

Since the movies always get bigger and not smaller I would find it unlikely that the same wouldn't happen again.

 

I loved the choreography of episode I.

 

Oh boy.

Do you really think that was what he was going for when shooting the movies?

 

Kinda like when people argue that Anakins bad dialog and horrible acting around Padme rings true because he has no experience with girls......

 

I'd like to see something even more stylized and fantastic than the Star Wars norm thus far. Something like an on-screen version of Ganner's last stand from the novel Traitor.

 

Luke wasn't very stylistic compared to the "Jedi-in-their-prime" PT era warriors. It's possible his fighting skills could have evolved since ROTJ, but I don't see him fighting like Yoda in the PT. But...I haven't seen the ST yet either! LOL!!

I'm in the camp of moving beyond Nick Gillard's choreography.

 

Luke vs Vader at the end of RotJ is pretty fast paced and not clumsy and slow like Obi-Wan vs Vader in ANH. You can really see Luke's emotions at play. I don't want flashy style for no reason but I'm expecting duels more on the lines of the PT, but maybe without as much flipping and spinning around needlessly.

 

I was never bothered by the fight in ANH.

 

I always thought that since Jedi and Sith are essentially supernatural beings, they'd be able to do all of their flips and such with ease. And when you consider this, they would be able to use these kinds of abilities in order to trick their opponents. When talking of the Maul flip shown a few pages back, I think he was trying to jump backwards to be able to move the thing to get that door open. I'm thinking him jumping backwards like that is slightly faster than simply running backwards. The flip is done because he is a force user that is very capable of doing those in his sleep even when compared to Kenobi/Anakin/whoever. Plus, his flips at times threw the others off guard.

Heck, even lightsaber twirling serves a purpose when done right. Towards the end of the duel, Maul slowly walks towards Kenobi while twirling his doublesaber incredibly fast. While he's doing this, Kenobi is carefully backing away from his opponent. In this example, Maul is using intimidating tactics to keep his distance. After all, no one wants to be near a swinging sword. The example in the Mustafar duel when both Kenobi and Anakin were swinging their blades to me represents that they are pretty much equals in their technique. And at that time they tried the same tactic, and ironically they did not hit each other while doing so.

Thing about the story telling in the OT fights, is that there was a full reason to do so with each fight. In every one of the OT fights, both combatants know each other and were directly involved in each others' life somehow. There was every need in the story for those fights to have a lot of drama. It also helps that in each of those fights, the ones who had the upper hand never tried to kill the one who was losing. There was always someone who was stalling the other.

In the newer movies, it was more about telling a story about the aspects of the fighters themselves as opposed to a current story during the fight. For example, the Maul duel showed us how powerful force users were at fighting. It also showed us a prime example of the Jedi defending peace against this menace, while the Sith attempts to take them down with sheer force. The Dooku fights as well as the Greivous fight were more or less done to eliminate generals/powerful figures on your enemy's side. Though even so there was a bit of emotion from Anakin and Obi during both Dooku fights.

The only real fights that I'm a bit unsatisfied with in the series are the Obi vs Vader in Hope and the fights with Sidious and Yoda. The one in Hope I am sad with for obvious reasons, but I wish Palpatine and Yoda fought more with their force abilities than their Sabers. It would have been cool I think if Yoda and Sidious blocked saber attacks with force lightning or force pushes. And every once in awhile they could pull out their sabers for a quick block or strike if they had to. But hey I'm not gonna lose sleep over those fights anytime soon.

What I'm most concerned about however is the way the fights are shot. I very very very much don't want to see any camera shaking going on ever like from Quantum of Solace for example. This type of action is way too common in films these days and it absolutely drives me bananas. It was even in Star Trek into Darkness at points and that is nuts. Nor do I want to see short and numerous shots cut together in rapid fashion like that Kingdom of Heaven video shown a few pages back. It was a good fight itself, but the way it was shot made it a little annoying to follow for me.

Star Wars films have always shot in that classic style of action. One in which is filmed in a few good long shots and some short ones smartly so that you easily follow the entirety of the action. Also, it's cut in a way that feels so crisp and fun to watch. I do think that JJ will try to emulate this style of cinematography over his own though. This is because Star Trek doesn't really have a consistent cinematographic style when comparing all the movies and shows. Though Star Wars certainly does, and I am sure he will do what he can to hold that up. If not, I will extremely disapointed.

 

In what sense do you mean? The actual real production of the films, the story of the films and then the over time build up of both of those things and the interaction between them over time and the way stories develop.

Vader was not Luke's father in Star Wars. That was not at all the plan. Then he did become the father after. Just as Vader was not a cyborg when shooting the movies just like Stormtroopers he wore his outfit but could take it off and while he had some scarring on his face he was just a man.

Jedi did not have superpowers in Star Wars. Their power was mental in terms of making people think things like they were choking or these weren't the right droids etc. The superpowers version came in ESB.

By the same line of reasoning the OT has no Sith in the story. Vader is a fallen Jedi and the Emperor is a Dark Side user.

What was gone for when shooting the movies and what happened afterwards and how things developed are different all the time in these movies.

So in terms of the story developed that is how it works.

 

Obi-Wan's body vanishes completely, instantly, when Vader cuts him down. And he continues talking to Luke.

While the Admiral Motti scene could be interpreted as "he only thinks he's choking" I don't think that fits well with the novelization.

 

Yea, just that your interpretation doesn't make any sense. Obi and Yoda wouldn't have sent Luke to the Emperor and relied on him so much if they didn't trust in his powers just like Vader wouldn't have survived (and hunted down Jedi) if he weren't powerful.

These little facts beat any stylistic differences.

 

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THere is some funny dialog in the OT, but nothing as bad or as awkwardly or badly delievered as there in the PT.

 

Found a video of what I want.
A perfect combo of PT and OT

 

Just imagine if they really had cast Toshiro Mifune as Kenobi!

 

That would've been incredible.

 

It would be cool to see that type of character in the ST, though. A sort of samurai like Jedi warrior, preferably of asian descent. Who doesn't even do duels, slashes everyone he faces off within five seconds. He doesn't need the fancy moves. It would be a nice shift from the usually over the top flair.

 

It seems like it's time to resurrect this thread now that we have a cast - who gets a saber? Mark, for sure. Carrie? Daisy? John? Domhnall? Adam? Dare we hope for Andy? What could they do with them?

 

I'm hoping Carrie does.

Something they need to stay from is the awkwardness of the episode 2 duels, since it was chopped to hell, and some of the over the top stuff from Anakin vs. Obi-Wan,

 

I refuse to pick just one, but defiantly want "something in-between."

 

oldie but a goodie... these guys need to made consultants.

 

I'm lazy and don't feel like reading the whole thread. Just want to say that Darth Maul vs. Ben & Anakin is the best so far. Sorry if it's been stated 30 times already. I never get tired of watching it. Hard to top it. There. I feel better.

 

when does Maul fight Ben and Anakin??