ST ST lightsaber battles. Mirror PT or OT?

You obviously didn't read the EU novel where Luke teaches Leia and friends how to fly, and they fly into space suffocating to death. I believe it was titled Jedi's Flight into Doom written by Timothy Stover Fitzgerald Herbert III.

 

I think what you're talking about is the Unifying Force (right?). That's definitely a possibly, but Mace's line ("our ability to use the Force has diminished") kind of suggests that it's the "entire Force," so to speak. But you could very well be right.

Regardless, IMO, if the Force is now in balance, it would be important for the narrative to show what benefits that brings to the Jedi. Otherwise there's no payoff for one of the overarching narratives of the saga thus far.

Ooooh, I love Timothy Stover Fitzgerald Herbert III's stuff!

 

I posted it on her ebefore, but personally I hope the lightsaber battles take this form in the ST. Kenetic, alive, very little fluff, dangerous but very entertaining.

I'm not a fan of the Jedi being about hte use the force "at will" while concentrating/focuses on something like fighting. Whenever someone is being taught how to use the force we are talking concentrating and focusing is important, well it would be very hard to focus on moving some object across the room with trying to keep your head on your shoulders. I perfer how it was handled in the PT were/when a Jedi/Sith basically had to stop fighting in order to use the force. Vader is swinging his saber at Luke when he is throwing objects at him. Its one or the other.

 

I know right?! I especially love the one where Han scrambles at the last minute to get Boba Fett a Christmas present.

 

And then he ends up helping Santa Claus being presents to everyone! I admit, I shed a tear when I read that.

 

Did you read the sequel where Santa turns to the darkside and eats his reindeer? It's pretty terrible.

 

OT. Definitely OT. I mean, while I do like the PT battle sequences, all-in-all there's this x-factor, an intangible I can't quite put my finger on that made the OT lightsaber fight scenes seem...more. Also, in theory there is very little difference between both trilogies lightsaber duels other than the consistency in which the PT utilizes them. For example, Luke's battle with Vader in Return of the Jedi very much mirrors the speed and quickness of duels in the PT, in my opinion.

 

In response to the OP, I think the ST duels will look more like the ones in the PT. I'd rather them look more like the ones in the PT. Part of the reason the duels in the PT are so much more fast-paced than the ones in the OT is because by then they had the technology to make them that way. To me, the PT duels just seem more attention-grabbing.

 

I want the lightsaber battles in the ST to have their own style. It's a new era, so let's have a new style.

I just hope they aren't too noisy like The Force Unleashed, which is way too Matrixy for my taste. None of that slo mo crap.

 

Ok, I just re-read my last post on this, and wow was it a mess. Sometimes I work I have to type fast and I think faster then I type. So this is what I meant.

I'm not a fan of Jedi and Sith being able to use the Force at will, while they are focusing on other things, like fighting someone else with a Lightsaber. Whenever we see someone being taught how to use the force we are told that concentration and focus are important and required to access and use the Force. Even in ESB when Vader is throwing things at Luke in the 2nd stage of their fight, thats ALL he is doing. He isn't throwing things at him WHILE engaged in combat with Luke. I like the "division of labour", the idea that a Jedi can't focus and concentrate on fighting someone AND on jumping higher, moving something or messing with someones mind.

 

Yeah I'm hoping there won't be an overusage of Force powers/abilities.

 

I'm still here but I have to settle something with administration before I keep posting. Essentially I'll be banned and then hopefully I can work things out to keep contributing. The process is taking a while.

 

Some of the PT battles were done well while some of them were not, example would be Grievous, and the lava jumping in ROTS. A well choreographed EPIC duel is what fits these films the best. OT did have EPIC but not choreographed very well. Every time I watch the Vader /Obi duel in ANH I cringe because it reminds me of 5 year old playing lightsabers with sticks!!!

 

I wish we could break this down into a which individual Star Wars duals (like pick top 2 or something) would you prefer the ST to use as a guide. Cause without doing such this is a seriously flawed poll. Let's face it both trilogies had very bad fights and some very good ones. My two favs being Vader vs Luke (Empire) and Obi-wan vs Darth Maul (episode 1), just happens that its one for each trilogy... I voted OT solely since at the time of my vote the OT was losing and I didn't want either to take the lead.

 

The hell?

 

When it comes to force abilities it's tricky to find that fine line between the Force and general magic. I remember in some old Star Wars rpg book it was said that a force push isn't a manipulation of the force in the air or even in the wielder, but of the force in the target. So a jedi has to attune themselves to the life energy in the person they want to push. I like this approach in general, that using the focus is recognizing the connections between everything and manipulating those connections. It also makes the differentiation of force lightning as a dark side move more sensible too. Whereas with a force-push a jedi has to acknowledge the fact that what they're affecting is a feeling living thing, force lightning comes from the self and requires no understanding of others. In a way it's a way to hurt without confronting the pain you're causing, it seems the opposite but in this context it fits the dark sider's tragic single-mindedness.
Anyway, got a bit off-topic but the point is, a force move should focus on the interconnectivity of everything in the GFFA. So really, mostly telekinetic things. Which is so much simpler than what i was writing. oh well.

 

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I love it. Great post, Saint. Pretty much sums up the PT for me (and many others). A microcosm of everything that's wrong about it. Style over substance. Flash without content. Thoughtless. Empty. For juxtaposition, you should have posted a pic of that iconic, beautifully composed shot from Empire when Luke is walking up the stairs to confront Vader for the first time in Empire. Which is a perfect summation of what's right about the OT.

 

That's exactly what I meant, although that particular moment didn't even look cool at the first viewing.

 

I did enjoy when they came out of that moment though. My favourite bit in the Mustafar duel is the segment that takes them down on to the pipes over the lava (could have done without the droid buzzing in though).

I wasn't a fan of all he needless twirling and showboating - I preferred Lucas' take on the sabres of the OT - they should have weight when on - like Excalibur.

That crit applies to the otherwise fantastic Old Republic cinematics. I liked it when they felt like sword fights between knights. Less so when the sabre action feels like something from a martial arts flick.

That said, the Maul fight is fight up there.

I think the PT sabres suffer from over-saturation, but I understand that with so many Jedi around it's a tricky one to get around.

 

Forget Anakin's and Obi-Wan's fight. We need more realism.
We need more of this!

 

As great at the OT saber battles are, we need to have better choreographed fights like in the PT.

 

So gritty and realistic!

 

People do realize that every punch and every pick and every sword hit etc.... in every movie looks like this right? This is just Marquand or Lucas picking a bad angel for the shot. Hell, watch the Darth Maul fight again, when Maul kicks Obi-wan off the platform they fighting on, its pretty obvious he isn't make contact.

The Godfather (maybe the best movie of all time?) even has a moment like this. Go to about 1:10 in the video

 

I think the dude's joking and as for the vid... its probably one of the greatest ass kickings of all time next to Bruce Lee laying to smackdown to Han in enter the dragon