Amph Star Trek Beyond

I don't give a ****. The older shows doing it bothers me and Abrams continuing it bothers me. I wouldn't have expected you to side with Mr. Explanation Points Wouldn't-A-Casino-in-Cuba-Be-Great, Esq.

 

@Jedi Merkurian

that's exactly what I am talking about, that's what star trek is all about, always has been.

@Darth Guy Happy Holidays to you and your family!!!!!!!!!!

 

I know you can't understand this, Mr. Rand, but sexual objectification and misogyny are wrong. It was wrong in 1966 and it was wrong in 2012 and it's wrong now. Every single frame of film and television humanity produces should move past it, Star Trek included if not especially.

 

Dude I am done talking about that, lets move on my friend!!!

lets just say I am really exited for new Trek

 

I was looking for something to effectively illustrate my point. I thought maybe Jeri Ryan (a good actress who played one of Voyager's two best characters) talking about her humiliating, extremely uncomfortable bodysuit-- versions of which she wore until the end of the series, long after Seven could have plausibly worn a uniform-- might do it. But I think an excerpt from a recent TNG panel sums it up well:

[Marina] Sirtis and [Gates] McFadden also spent a good deal of time speaking about their experiences as women in the Star Trek world. (It’s fascinating to see these types of conversations become increasingly acceptable in the public sphere. Comic Con held three separate panels on diversity and questions of representation popped up in various Q&As throughout the weekend). Sirtis succinctly summed up the show’s successes and failures by explaining: “Although we were doing a show about the 24th century, it was written by 20th-century white men.” [emphasis mine] As such, concerns that Sirtis looked too “fat” in her regular Star Fleet uniform explain Counselor Troi’s unusual costuming while McFadden had to stay in the uncomfortable spandex version of the uniform (so as to better highlight her figure) long after the male cast members were allowed to switch into a more manageable two-piece version. Both women expressed annoyance that their scenes together always revolved around exercise, that the show lacked multi-female scenes in general, and that neither of their characters got much in the way of backstory.

 

So, are we too fast to be furious about this selection?

 

Darth Guy is absolutely correct.

Should we really hold onto what was acceptable 50 years ago because...well, it's how it was, so it's okay now!

Really, saying that's what Trek is is bull****. You can do Trek without the sexism. If it was progessive in other ways, it can be progressive on this front, too.

 

I said this a page ago but I think it sufficiently answers your question @Diggy and to the poster that said that the Kirk Uhura kiss wasn't the first Interracial kiss on TV do you have a link, I think you might be wrong? I think the political Correctness of the show for its time was groundbreaking, they had the first interracial Kiss on TV, they also were a show that had a multi race cast, My dad always points those two things out, the Star Wars OT had its issues to, for one how many women were in the movie? and also how many African Americans were in the OT star wars, but most of us on here love the star wars OT .....

Just because we don't like a certain part of history doesn't mean we can just erase it and make it go away, that's almost as crazy as people who want to ban books in Schools because we don't like what they say, that is what the Nazi's did they burned books because they gave people education and thinking and ideas. what next we will burn movies and TV we don't like and erase them from existence ?

 

No, it does not sufficiently answer it.

And you going on about Star Wars is pointless. It was of it's time. Times have changed.

 

and do you think the new star wars should be totally different then the OT ? I personally think that the new Star Wars should be a mix of OT and Prequels. and I think the Abrams Trek through in some elements of the TOS trek and some new and a whole bunch of star wars homages!!!!!!!!!!! You know New Trek is not just for generation X'ers like me and many more it was also for the baby boomers like my dad who was born in 1954 and grew up with TOS and still love it!!!!!!! and the Baby Boomers out number us by a lot .....

in like less then 20 years the USA'S population will be mostly old people WE BETTER GET USED TO IT....

 

No, it doesn't have to be totally different. I'm actually having trouble understanding what you're even saying at this point. A mix between the OT and PT? In what ways, precisely?

 

Which is always funny to me because -- as good as though movies are -- they are probably the least Trek-like of the TOS and NextGen films.

Much as I like Wrath of Khan, I can see why Roddenberry took issue with it during production. More militarism (IIRC he actually hated the uniforms for that reason). The revenge plot. Not having a grander message (although Kirk's character growth was good). For all it's faults I still have a soft spot for TMP: it was glacial, fx-happy, and a bit cold, but it had a vision and a message. I think the ideal ST movie would be one that could capture the positives of TMP and WoK: the tangible threat and attention to characters of WoK with the grander philosophical message of TMP.

 

@Diggy Meaning the best of both, Less CGI but in places where needed some CGI and Modern Film Making techniques.... Which I think is evident in Abrams films already, and Abrams is a copycat Director Especially in Super 8 how he copied Spielberg, but not exclusive to Super 8 Also in Star Trek....

And how about all the Homages to Star Wars in Abrams Trek, A robotic Cop on a hover Swoop Bike kind of Like Darth Maul's on Tatooine, a Bar fight scene reminiscent to the Cantina Bar scene in A New Hope, The Villain was A bald Romulan with Green Tattoos on his face Reminiscent to the Tattoos on Darth Maul's Face and finally a Frozen Planet Like Hoth and an Ice monster like the Wampa Ice Creature....

Now, how can you not love all that star wars goodness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Directed by Stuart Baird. Though Frakes has said that if he knew that kind of mess that "Nemesis" was going to be, he would have taken director's chair himself.

 

@darth-sinister

I love the little videos under my comments, do you have one of Data's cat?!!!!!!!!!!!

You know many years ago I went to a music venue that is also a National Park in Vienna VA called Wolf Trap, to see a show the first half of the show was a John Williams show conducted by Emil de Cou the second part of the show was Gustav Holst The Planets, Narrated by Leonard Nimoy He was live in person on stage at Wolf Trap that night and My Dad And me had great seats we were about 15-20 feet away from Leonard Nemoy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

From what I've heard, no one in the cast has anything kind to say about Baird, who apparently didn't even watch a single episode of TNG before helming Nemesis and had a distinct lack of people skills. I was actually excited when I heard Baird was directing because I'd liked his previous film Executive Decision so much.

I don't know if the support is there for a feature film, but I'd love to see TNG get a 4-hour, 2-part made-for-tv finale. TOS got a classy send-off with The Undiscovered Country (the awkward baton handoff in Generations not withstanding) and I'd like to see TNG crew get the same. TNG may not have always been my cup of tea, but they deserve better than Nemesis.

Re: ST III/XIII. I've had a few days to digest the news that Justin Lin is directing and I'm sad to say that it still doesn't sit well with me. It's probably not fair to put people in a box and assume they can only do one thing, but all I have to go on is his filmography, and despite enjoying F&F 5-6, there's just nothing there to indicate he's the right choice to direct this movie; particularly at such a crucial moment (the 50th anniversary, perhaps the last movie w/this cast, the fate of future ST projects hanging in the balance).

To play Devil's advocate, I thought Shane Black and Alan Taylor were prefect choices to helm the new Marvel Phase 2 flicks IM3 and T2: TDW respectively, and I had major doubts when the guys who had directed You, Me & Dupree were given the reigns to Captain America 2. In short, I hated IM3 and T2: TDW and absolutely loved TWS.

 

Part of the plot, dude. Obviously most of them were hunted down by the Empire.

 

I actually rented Wrath of Khan from the library to watch it (having watched segments of it on TV but not the whole thing), sometime after having watched Into Darkness, and I don't think it was half bad. As far as the Abrams films go, I disliked ST'09, but Into Darkness I thought was much better...though I hear most people have the reverse opinion on this.

 

Yeah weren't most episodes revolving around an entire species that were neatly analogous a real earth people, conflict, or social issue? Every race can be neatly organized by sterotypes.

I mean Starfleet's humans can and should be free of sexism, racism, ageism, classism, etc...... but the aliens they meet are practically mandated to have those issues, otherwise no plot.

That said considering all the uniforms in Star Trek finding one that isn't eye candy for female characters is difficult. There's no way they can wear any of the male versions without that same result so it'd be best to just give female Starfleet members an entirely new uniform and let males have another one


And looks like Orsi is no longer writing Star Trek 3 now.

 

Oh Jesus, I'm not talking about "eye candy" in terms of an actress being attractive. I'm talking about things like giving Deanna Troi a tight non-uniform with cleavage and Seven of Nine a skintight catsuit and T'Pol similar outfits. The early and late DS9 uniforms were perhaps too form-fitting on the (often fit and thin) women compared to the (sometimes overweight) men, but otherwise they were fine. Same with the uniform Troi wore in the last season and a half of TNG.

 

Yeah moving away from the tight catsuits to regular uniforms was better, but even with the regular looser fit uniforms they were still rather fan servicey.

 

As awesome as it is that orci is out pretty much completely, it still doesn't mean we're In the clear for a better film now. The whole Star Trek meets guardians has me worried. I'm no big Star Trek fan, but I would like to see an actual Star Trek film from this series. If they are just talking about adding more fun and adventure, fine, but don't lose sight of what Star Trek is.

They might want to strive to be different considering Star Wars returns next year


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Ha...

That's on the alternative timeline portion of the reboot. Which, if true, then why go back to the well of the familiar?

 

It also doesn't really help that Kirk is a womanizer and thus the writers will always include fan-service moments because of that and objectify the female characters even if they are not typically in fanservice attire.