STAR WARS: DARTH PLAGUEIS Novel

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Zorkel567, Jul 27, 2010.

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  1. Ulicus Lit'ari

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    Wasn't Sifo-Dyas manipulated into that by Sidious/Dooku before he was killed as part of Tyranus' initiation?
  2. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Not if it was the action of one particular Jedi acting without permission of the Council. The fact that the rest of the Jedi went ahead and used the army was set in stone by AOTC and thus did not depend on LOE's revelations. None of this makes Sifo or the other Jedi white supremacists, and let's not forget that the clone template was not chosen by Sifo or the other Jedi.

    He may have been manipulated into it by Sidious, although it seems to be implied that his precognitive visions of the future played a role; however, as far as we know, Dooku wasn't informed of the situation until after Sifo had already contacted Kamino.
  3. fanboyskywalker Jedi Master

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    Well, to be fair, Plagueis is dead.

    Where did he say Order 66 wasn't preprogrammed?
  4. RC-1991 Force Ghost

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    I was under the impression that the "Order 66 wasn't preprogrammed" claim came from the "Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic" article in Star Wars Insider, back in the days when that magazine was awesome. It does seem to come up regularly in the Republic Commando Saga.
  5. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Here.
  6. Ki-Aaron-Mundi Jedi Grand Master

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    I have trouble believing Mr. Luceno himself made a lot of these decisions. Particularly the Sifo-Dyas ordering the clone army decision--isn't it safe to assume that was made by the Higher-Ups (likely Mr. Lucas himself), and simply written of in Labyrinth of Evil?
  7. Katana_Geldar Force Ghost

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    I thought the whole Sifo-Dyas thing was handled in AOTC, particularly commentaries on the scripts. The only thing that Luceno added to this thing, I recall, was the erasure of Kamino from the archives. It was supposed to be a big thing revealed in ROTS, but one of the many things put on the shelf.
  8. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    "George was involved to the extent that he provided answers to the many questions I had about Master Sifo-Dyas, General Grievous, Dooku?s allegiance to Sidious, the Prophecy of the Chosen One, the Battle of Coruscant, and more. The Sifo-Dyas background came straight from Lucas, as did Sidious? words to Dooku before the duel aboard Grievous? starship." - James Luceno

    Of course, that interview was specifically about LOE; whether Lucas influenced Dark Lord is anybody's guess.

    :confused: Where can these commentaries on the scripts be found?
  9. JEDI-SOLO Force Ghost

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    Wow great news but Im confused by why it is so long from release date? I thought that he had the book completeed already when they axed it?
  10. DarthRotten Jedi Master

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    Knowing the EU alot of the content probably has to be reworked now due to information in other books and guides that didn't exist back when Luceno finished.

    Personally, I don't understand why anybody would say Luceno invented the idea that clones weren't programmed. In AOTC, the Kaminoans tell Obi-Wan that clones can think creatively (ie not programmed like droids) but that they would follow any order without question (that's not programming- it's training; most of them choose not to disobey orders because they believe in the necessity of following the chain of command).
  11. Super_Battle_Droid Force Ghost

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    I still hope that Plagueis is San Hill, and that Palpatine only thinks he killed him, and that he hides it from Palpatine afterwards as Hill, "Hard to see the Darkside is."

    This would explain how he survives Vader's slaughter, and yes he did survive, I'm not going to argue about it, I have tons of proof.
  12. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    Precisely.
  13. son_of_skywalker03 Force Ghost

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/San_Hill#Death

    Kinda hard to argue against that.
  14. Super_Battle_Droid Force Ghost

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    We don't see any such thing in the film, nuff said.

    The Muun has to have an alter ego, and who else would be better than San Hill?

    I don't think anyone in the Star Wars Universe would expect him to be a Sith Lord.
  15. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    It's a cover-up.
  16. KnightDawg Jedi Master

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    QFT. He's dead. It's canon. End of discussion.
  17. son_of_skywalker03 Force Ghost

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    It's shown in the comic adaptation. That's proof enough. Until you can actually provide something showing he wasn't actually killed there.
  18. _Catherine_ Chosen One

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  19. KnightDawg Jedi Master

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    [face_laugh] LMAO...well done. Gotta love how San Hill is the ONLY Muun in the SW Universe. 8-}
  20. Super_Battle_Droid Force Ghost

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    I'll be retconning Hill's survivial very soon, with all the proof you'll ever need.
  21. Super_Battle_Droid Force Ghost

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    He's the only one ever seen in the films.
  22. son_of_skywalker03 Force Ghost

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    Yeah, call me crazy, but I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.
  23. Super_Battle_Droid Force Ghost

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  24. SithStarSlayer Manager Emeritus

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  25. robbiedbee Jedi Knight

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    Please, no retconning. It would cheapen Palpatine, and the line "he was killed by his apprentice in his sleep".
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