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A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by JoinTheSchwarz , May 20, 2013.

  1. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Yeah, anything which tries to make Anakin into Jesus other than the Virgin birth is REALLY stretching things.

    Though you could make an argument he was like some mythologies version of Lucifer.

    Really, as divine births go, Anakin is closest to Herakles in that he was a really-really psychologically disturbed sort of hero with severe emotional issues and rages.

    However, Herakles atones and ascends to join the gods in the end anyway.
     
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  2. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Embarrassingly, it took me ten books before I realised it was darkfriend and not darkfiend.

    The interesting thing, if we're going the Arthurian route, is that Vader more closely aligns with Merlin than he does either of the Pendragons.

    Kid born of a virgin (with RotS hinting that the Sith were the incubi) plagued by prophetic dreams with uber magic powers... who winds up imprisoned thanks to his obsesssion with a woman. :p

    I don't disagree with any of this.
     
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  3. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Bonus points, my friend read the entire series and didn't realize until I mentioned it that a Forsaken had been free all the time wasn't a huge twist (as he thought it was).

    I mentioned we knew one was because one talks to Lewis Therin in the Prologue after they've all been imprisoned.

    :D

    Anyway, I *REALLY* like Rebels. I do think someone on the writing staff is a West End Gamer, though. All the nods can't be coincidence.
     
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  4. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Woot, 30,000 posts!
     
  5. Cynical_Ben

    Cynical_Ben Force Ghost star 4

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    RE the odd hats, keep in mind it's still a styalized art style. Look at Vader's mask, it looks like something out of the oldest McQuarrie artwork, all angles and lines. They're probably modeled after that.
     
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  6. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    I'm sceptical if these female inquisitor is Barriss - I honestly think Filoni wouldn't waste her character and would be bolder with her inclusion into this era.
     
  7. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Except, of course, this is the LEAD Star Wars Expanded Universe material. Second only in importance to the films.

    Something which is hard for a lot of litters to really....accept....but this is pretty huge.
     
  8. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    I have no overwhelming desire for Anakin to be some unprecedented moral paragon, but given that Ventress is already kind of a gray area (pun not intended but acknowledged), I think it's easy to view "start down the dark path" in Yoda's context as "Sith" specifically. On the playing field Yoda's operating on, Inquisitors barely even register--they're dark side hobbyists compared to what Vader signed up for.

    In any event, I don't exactly want Barriss defecting, but I wouldn't mind her going out on a last-second backpedal a la Jacen.
     
  9. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I also think Yoda speaks in Zen wisdom and Christian parables, neither of which is EVER meant to be taken as absolute fact.

    Yoda is saying. "once you start rationalizing evil, it consumes your life."

    Not exactly a huge-huge statement, just a warning about losing your perspective.
     
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  10. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    It's like alcoholism--you CAN stop, but you're never really cured.
     
  11. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Theoretically, new comics, new novels, new TV, and new films, are all on the same level.

    In practice, a lot more focus will be on films, followed by TV.
     
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  12. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    And in practice, the television show will be seen and merchandised far far more than any comic or book.
     
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  13. Cracian_Thumper

    Cracian_Thumper Jedi Master star 2

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    Round 2 of this?
    [​IMG]
     
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  14. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I also think Yoda is just trying to drill into Luke's head that Vader would be more interested in corrupting than killing him.
     
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  15. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Yeah, everything he and Obi say to Luke is the Jedi Scared Straight program.
     
  16. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I'll be OK with BomberBarriss Inquisitorous but I'd rather see a new character.

    As far as Asajj, redeem her if that's what they want but keep her badass.
     
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  17. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Fair point. And I can roll with that.

    Though, really, it's not got much of anything to do with making Anakin a moral paragon. I'm just rather enamored with the notion that his personal triumph over the dark side is a large part of what brings the Force back into balance.

    More, even, than his killing of Palpatine.

    Because then it doesn't matter if the Sith return, or some new dark side group takes their place.

    He wasn't special because he was the latest Jedi to defeat the biggest baddest dark sider, he was special for being the Jedi who -- with the aid of his son -- defeated the dark side, itself. The guy who forever shattered the illusion that it is ever "too late".

    And who showed that you don't have to be a moral paragon to do the right thing.
     
  18. CooperTFN

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  19. seeker_two

    seeker_two Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'd rather see Ventress discover that Palpatine was the man behind her downfall. When she goes gunning for revenge, Vader becomes her first target.
     
  20. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah, it's this guy named Dave something something. :p

    As for your comment on aristocracy, while I appreciate our perennial sparring in the matter of nobility that's really not the issue here. Being styled "lord" doesn't make them nobles, and the term "Lord Vader" always struck me as a theocratic title. We learn in TPM (as far as canon goes) that it refers to the position of Sith Lord: a distinctly religious title.

    What you're saying is that somebody so utterly broken by war that she resorts to terrorism will also become a cultist. That she's capable of killing Jedi I don't dispute, but that doesn't necessarily make her Inquisitor material.

    Could Vader or the Emperor exploit it? Sure -- that's kind of their thing ("Bury your feelings deep down..."). It's plausible. But I'm saying that it's not as simple as one leads to the other.



    Missa ab iPhona mea est.
     
  21. Good_News_Nobody

    Good_News_Nobody Jedi Knight star 2

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    Well, it should have been played out 2 -10 years after RotS. Rebels is no place for old TCW era grudges.
     
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  22. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Agreed. That's why I'm glad Vader took out Obi-Wan the day after RotS. :p
     
  23. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So that's what happens when you replace the Old Testament with the first half of Le Morte D'Arthur.
     
  24. whiskers

    whiskers Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not for lack of trying. :D
     
  25. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Vader is the Fisher King and Luke, Percival. [face_not_talking]
     
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