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A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by JoinTheSchwarz , May 20, 2013.

  1. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Da-amn, how did I miss that they have Jason Isaacs on board as the Inquisitor!
     
  2. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Indeed.
     
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  3. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Seriously, it's pretty great.

    Now he's trying to capture Jedi instead of the Avatar.
     
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  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I'd have said "Now he's trying to catch Jedi instead of Peter Pan :D
     
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  5. Kablob

    Kablob Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Now he's trying to catch Jedi instead of Harry Potter.
     
  6. DoubleSith

    DoubleSith Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Now he's trying to catch Jedi instead of Mel Gibson.
     
  7. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Ye gods, the Patriot was a horror movie in every sense of the word but I love Isaacs line:

    "The rules of war? Would you like a lesson?"

    You forgot the picture!

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    ...doubled.
     
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  9. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Never seen the picture before.
     
  10. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Oh, not watched Stargate SG-1? It was a fun show, did some cool stuff too and didn't take itself too seriously.
     
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  11. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    But what does it have to do with Jason Isaacs?
     
  12. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    Always been meaning to get into it.

    I was being a smart-alek to JB since he said he just found out Isaacs was in Rebels. Indeed. How did he miss that? Then people started listing roles he did before.
     
  13. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    It takes a little time to get going in season 1, but the finale is pretty strong, by the time you get to season 4-5, it's storming.
     
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  14. TrandoJedi

    TrandoJedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    As I'm reading A New Dawn I'm really looking forward to seeing Kanan and Hera, Ezra skepticism still stands.

    (Oh, and Stargate SG1 is my favorite TV show...of all time.)
     
  15. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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  16. StrikerKOJ

    StrikerKOJ Jedi Knight star 3

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    Forgive me if I misread the article, but is the argument for the Empire looking foolish in Rebels that in universe, nobody sees the Empire looking foolish except the Rebels? So it's ok?
     
  17. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Chosen One star 6

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    By that logic, the Empire are also good guys, because only the Rebels see them doing bad things, but really, the rest of them are nice guys. :p
     
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  18. KINGKONG83

    KINGKONG83 Jedi Master star 2

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    In where you say "horror" I take it you mean "overblown emotional ahistorical faux-patriotic dribble"..:p

    And yeah Jason Isaacs is a solid actor..

    SO
    Instead of "catching" skinnies...erm somalis
    He'll catch Jedis
    "were at the ten yard line,you'll need my stormtroopers!"
     
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  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    [​IMG]

    In one respect this, or you could look at it this way: The Rebels have to get lucky every time, the Empire only has to get lucky once and the Rebels victories are insignificant anyway.

    Or, to invoke Jello's line: The Empire is victorious on all fronts!

    It's also a necessary evil of the story: Extremely efficient Imperials neutralise rebel cell = no show!
     
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  20. Abadacus

    Abadacus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Except that's been proven wrong by many excellent shows. The Alliance in Firefly was terrifyingly effective, and we understood why our heroes ran at the first sign of them (much like the OT). The Peacekeepers on Farscape were self-awarely hammish and mookish when appropriate, but we never forgot that they were elite soldiers who presented a very real danger to the heroes. The list could go on.
    Even Stargate SG-1 gleefully embraced the "enemy mooks who can't hit anything" trope, but still made them feel like dignified warriors who could be taken seriously.

    I'm tempted to do a breakdown of where these shows and others could offer lessons to Rebels, but I think it's best to wait until I've seen a few episodes.
    If anything, a Star Wars product should raise my expectations, not lower them. Quite a few of my favorite shows have nailed this, I won't be holding Rebels to a lesser standard if it fails here - especially since Stormtroopers are more iconic than Alliance, PKs and Jaffa combined.

    Edit: Farscape-wise, I'd rather Inquisitor = Scorpius and Stormies = PK Retrieval Squad than Inquisitor = Crais and Stormies = Three Stooges.
     
  21. StrikerKOJ

    StrikerKOJ Jedi Knight star 3

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    Jaffa have some pretty sick helmets, though.
     
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  22. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    I'm not seeing how we're in conflict here? Save for my being more optimistic than you?

    It could be said the Peacekeepers and Jaffa were, by the standards being advocated here, were also rendered as fools and failures!

    What I'm also not getting, at this point, is how you're slagging a show that hasn't even aired!
     
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  23. StrikerKOJ

    StrikerKOJ Jedi Knight star 3

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    The difference is in the feelings/emotions demonstrated by the "heroes". In all of the aforementioned examples, while the heroes obviously "won" most of the engagements in the interest of keeping the story moving, they were generally Bat-**** scared of the villains most of the time. Any time the group of heroes went out on a mission and encountered the "enemy" it was always a moment of "Oh crap, things got very dangerous and we are moments away from being boned."

    Where mine (and apparently others) distaste for what has been shown in Rebels, is the casual manner in which they respond to the Empire. It seems to range from mild irritation to outright glee at the prospect of having to face off with the enemy. It never looks like the characters feel like they are in any danger, so why should I, the viewer, feel for the characters?
     
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  24. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    So far what has been shown is practically bugger all! Short shots here, few minutes of footage here and there and, on the basis of that, you're prepared to write the entire show off?
     
  25. Abadacus

    Abadacus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I'm arguing the difference is that they - as the outnumbering and far more powerful force - all allowed the show to continue by not killing or capturing (once and for all) the heroes without appearing as unthreatening or undignified as the Empire seems to look in Rebels; as a counter to your argument that if they were more threatening or competent, they would capture/kill the heroes and the show would be over.
    A related point is with regards to other people hearing about their victories: The reputation of Moya's crew having escaped the PKs, eluded them, and burnt a whole Gammak Base spreads far and wide, but it doesn't make the PKs look incompetant, it makes Moya's crew look badass (even when they don't quite live up to the reputation.)

    I don't like to think I'm being pessimistic - intro shorts are intended to sell the product, and they're all we have to go on so far. My tentative judgement based on them is that Rebels will make Stormtroopers look like a three stooges routine. That isn't the end of the world, or even surprising, but it's a blow against a coherent, believable and well-told canonical portfolio in my opinion, and certainly not what I was hoping for from the newest major Star Wars product, and possibly the highest-profile one leading up to the ST.
     
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