Full Series Star Wars Rebels Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Good point on the delineation, though I would think that there are probably people of both position.

 

I take the labels don't matter position. Company and Fans can say whatever they like. I am going to do what I like.

 

Canon to me is whatever Disney/Lucasfilm says it is. Their universe, their rules. The official story that all new works will abide by.

That said, I do have a "personal canon" of sorts that also includes the TCW Dark Horse Legends comics.

 

I'm more of a "Never let canon get in the way of a good story" kind of guy.....

 

i am still a new fan compared to the lot of you, but i can say ive gained a "i dont really care whats canon or not this franchise is too big to worry about it all" kind of attitude towards star wars in my little time being involved with the fandom...

 

I can understand why and honestly I don't see why so many buy into a sell gimmick but whatever. I have learned to ignore the canon only harpers.

 

Yea but there has to be a reasonable limit, otherwise you have infantile chaos. I think we should use facts and evidence(canonical sources primarily and non-canonical if making a point to try and support a specific argument or whatever calls for EU/now Legends). I do think all statements must be backed up by reliable sources and making unsupported or poorly supported claims, particularly if they're controversial should be considered trolling/spamming.

 

I used to like the old canon and how the authors made a game of trying to retcon every mistake. It was fun while it lasted.

But I like the new stuff. Didn't think I would, but it works. Probably because a lot of the same drivers are at the wheel. Vehicle looks different, though.

 

I really don't understand the "well, in my own canon..." argument. It's meaningless. And some take the position as a sign of protest; almost implying Disney is trying to destroy Star Wars and they *must* defend it.

 

I'm getting déjà vu here. I swear I've seen this discussion before in a different forum of a totally different universe. Oh wait... where am I again?

 

The question if something is canon or not is fine if we are discussing the direction the new canon material is heading (characters, storylines etc.).
But we should never start a personal war with it. Everybody has their own tastes and canonicity does not equal quality. The EU had good and bad stories, and the new canon will also have good and bad stories.

To bring this back on topic...
...what do you think, when will we get the titles of the first episodes of Season 2?

 

If you're making controversial poorly supported or not supported at all statements that are based within the official canon then yes it should be backed up - we can only go by their accepted fictional reality the rest never happened until they decide this and that occurred and make it official/canonical. There is a difference between their truth i.e. canon and the non-canon, legends, heresy, fan-fiction an apocrypha whatever. So one opinion/taste is not as good another, as one opinion could be based on facts, the other nonsense such as head canon. There is major differences, especially during specific debates, heated debates and arguments. Facts and truth should always prevail, that is common sense and real world, otherwise you'd have chaos and nobody graduating school properly.

 

I take it like this its all fiction so who the **** cares really its just fiction.

 

Exactly. Every time I read about canon debates, it's basically about which is more real than the other, always.

 

For many if not most people, the concept of "canon", which carries the idea of a consistent backstory, is part of suspension of disbelief (without which, nearly ALL fantastic fiction will fail sooner or later). Stories that adhere to canon (or explain why what they are doing is not really a violation thereof) are more believable to the audience (particularly the experienced audience who has been following along) than some story that randomly changes things just to fit the needs of the immediate plot.

 

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/rumors-two-new-voice-actors-added-star-wars-rebels-rumors/
So since everything in this article has proven to be correct, we can now assume that Saw Gerrera is going to appear in Season 2

 

You don't need a 'label' to create consistency though. That's why the canon war doesn't hold any water.

 

Sounds good is Bieber Back? Please No.

 

I'll grant you a partial technical point there. The words "canon" and "consistent" are often used interchangeably, and are functionally intertwined to a great degree. When referring to "consistent", the questions that is begged is "consistent with what?" The short answer is consistent with the backstory, those events which have occurred within the property previous to that point, ie, the "canon".

The problems creep in where the canon is inconsistent, often times due to sloppy standards by those in charge of managing the property. There are two major divisions of canonicity: inclusive and exclusive. "Exclusive" canon holds that there are a limited number of "official" depictions of the franchise that make up "what has really happened".

Paramount has/had a strict, tightly held policy on Star Trek canon: only the official serieses and movies are "real" Star Trek, with the Animated Series in the past excluded (though that may have changed...debate on the matter continues).

Lucasfilm pre-Disney is often held up as an example of "inclusive" canon, due to the admittance of tie-in media such as the novels, RPGs, etc to some sort of "official" status. Technically, however, Lucasfilm's old canon was still "exclusive", because fan products such as fanfilms, fanfic, etc were never part of the recognized material.

The Old Lucasfilm canon became somewhat of a mess, because, while there was some effort at at least maintaining tonal consistency, even the "keeper of the Holocron" wasn't enough to prevent writers in differing media (comics vs novels, for example) from taking differing approaches to the same subjects. That's why Disney has changed the canon ruling to include ONLY those materials on the List as "real" Star Wars, and instituted the Story Group to guide writers across all media from this point on in keeping everything together properly.

 

Vader found him and thought he needed a throat hug? I can run with that. In fact, it may already be in my head canon....

 

I dont think Old Lucas was so clear since we had a tier system.