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A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by JoinTheSchwarz , May 20, 2013.

  1. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Yes I'm not sure this isn't reinforcing how bad an idea Maul is in TCW. I mean, it's just a mistake from the get go which adds between "nothing" and "bugger all".

    Frankly the only welcome return is Hondo, because Hondo was always an OT-era character trapped in the prequels.
     
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  2. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Tarkin also said all the Jedi were dead in his first Rebels appearance. From his point of view, the Jedi died with Order 66.


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  3. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, while I think Kanan is doomed anyway, it's important to remember that Tarkin has never really seriously considered him "a Jedi". I believe he also either had a line or agreed with someone else's line in "Steps Into Shadow" characterizing the events on Malachor as the "rebellion's Jedi leadership" being dealt with - which can only refer to Ahsoka alone.
     
  4. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Yoda considered Kanan a Jedi Knight.

    So when Yoda calls Luke the last of the Jedi in ROTJ... either Kanan is dead or no longer considered a Jedi by Yoda.

    I'm thinking Kanan and Zeb die in Thrawn's ambush that destroys Chopper Base and kills Sato.
     
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  5. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    When did Yoda say Kanan was a Jedi?

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    He doesn't say he considered him a Jedi and seems surprised/bemused by the idea Kanan has an apprentice.
     
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    I'm pretty sure it was in the Season 2 scene when the Temple is damaged/taken by Vader.

    EDIT:
    It's the episode "Shroud of Darkness," when Yoda tests the 3 of them with Force visions, that Kanan is knighted:

     
  7. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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  8. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Remember how Grievous was basically incompetent and useless and not that impressive?

    Remember how Maul at least wowed us?

    Yeah. I dislike the prequels too.
     
  9. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    So you concede this was wrong.
     
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  10. DavrelKex

    DavrelKex Jedi Knight star 2

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    I don't think the new Mandalorians idea are even relevant. Mandalore was publicly rearmed with a full-no speech about re-arming and reinstating the old warrior traditions, to massive applause and cheering from the masses. It's in Shades of Reason, I think.

    IF the New Mandalorians still exist, it's likely in exile.
     
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  11. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And Tarkin was talking about Kenobi ;
    ''Surely he must be dead by now.''

    If you take Tarkin's words as indisputable facts than Kenobi would've been dead ''by now'', but he was not.
     
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  12. fett 4

    fett 4 Chosen One star 5

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    I will say this one more time and no more; Tarkin was not aware of Kenobi, who was hiding on a desert planet but he is aware about Ezra and Kanan, who are actively part of the Rebellion. Would you like a line drawn to connect the dots !!!
     
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  13. SienneRe

    SienneRe Jedi Master star 2

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    But Tarkin didn't consider them as Jedi, yes even after they destroyed his ship. Just annoying pretenders ;)
     
  14. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    That too,

    Tarkin : ''If he is the Jedi he claims to be, I take it you have a solution?''

    And then he says this ;

    ''The Jedi is no good to me dead. His resistance is impressive. Yes. He does possess the will of a Jedi of old.''

    One moment he doubts that Kanan is a Jedi, another moment he says he is a Jedi and he possess the will of a Jedi of old. Tarkin surely isn't consistent in terms of Jedi relationship, and he is surely likes to ignore the Jedi and their ways, he was doing the same in the Clone Wars when he was just a Captain.
     
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  15. Zohar

    Zohar Jedi Knight star 1

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    Lets just settle the matter and say that this insconsistency (and the others) happened because the OT was made first?
     
  16. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Concerning Sabine and weapons building - well, she said she helped build them, not necessarily design them.

    I get the impression that she was training to be a demolitions expert, and perhaps as part of that training she assembled bombs and other explosives to demonstrate her understanding of them.
     
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  17. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    And Sabine is sure these same weapons she helped build were specifically used against Mandalore? Instead of, say, pirates? The Empire had tons of weapons long before Sabine joined up. How could she know which specific weapons were used against Mandalore?

    With these questions in mind, my assumption that there was something "special" about these weapons that Sabine worked on (which would indicate how she would recognize them when they were used on Mandalore). Which again makes it odd a 14 year old cadet would even be allowed near such a special project, even in a menial construction capacity, unless she were a prodigy.
     
  18. TheNerdyOne_

    TheNerdyOne_ Jedi Knight star 2

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    Almost anything Tarkin says about Jedi in the presence of non-force users is a lie. Merely Imperial propoganda that he's perpetuating. Notice how the moment he and the Inquisitor are alone he suddenly accepts that Kanan's a real Jedi.

    The one exception to this is his mention of the rebellion's "Jedi leadership" to Pryce, who may just be of high enough rank to be in on it.

    It's also odd that a 14 year old can be the leader of an entire planet, or an important member of a rebellion against a Galactic Empire, but Star Wars has that too. It seems to me that the Star Wars universe has more or less gotten past caring about how young someone is. If they can do the job, then they can do the job.
     
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  19. Ulicus

    Ulicus Lapsed Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Imperial's gonna Imperial.

    "Excellent work, cadet Wren; your last batch proved most effective against YOUR FAMILY BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA [face_devil] "

    wtte.
     
  20. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I think my argument is more that we haven't seen Sabine be a research and development prodigy so far in the show. Padme went on to have a Senatorial career (and the EU retconned Palpatine as getting Padme to be queen so he could be chancellor). Anakin was shown to be a piloting genius well into adulthood (even as Vader), and Ahsoka became a Rebel leader literally when the Rebellion was founded.

    Sabine was so far down the food chain in Rebels she didn't even get clearance on who Fulcrum was. And if she's a weapons prodigy, why isn't she in special weapons research for the Alliance (working with Quarrie on B-Wing, etc.)?
     
  21. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Its Sabine, I am sure she doodled on her bombs, and then maybe found one of those doodles in the wreckage of a bomb blast.

    Or maybe she didn't specifically, but the fact she made weapons exactly like the ones used on her people would make the difference negligible in her mind.
     
  22. Cynical_Ben

    Cynical_Ben Force Ghost star 4

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    I'm sure that Sabine being involved with weapons used against her people is going to be explained at some point in the show, possibly even in the next episode. I don't know why it's such a bugbear, just wait and let them tell the story.
     
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  23. TheNerdyOne_

    TheNerdyOne_ Jedi Knight star 2

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    Sabine has been the weapons specialist from the first episode. She rigged a TIE Fighter to EMP an entire Star Destroyer. This isn't exactly coming out of nowhere.
     
  24. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Like I said, I guess I was thinking more along the lines of superweapons--kyber crystal level material (I just don't see how she could be so guilty about making regular weapons if they could be used for legitimate purposes). The stuff we've all seen on the show from Sabine are regular weapons--certainly not kyber crystal level.

    The level of guilt displayed from Sabine was far more personal than I'm making tanks, oh some tanks were used against Mandalore. Maybe they were the same ones, I should quit. By that logic, she should probably feel really guilty about paying taxes to the Empire too (finances killing Mandalorians). (It doesn't help that, from the movies, all Imperial military hardware looks the same and they use the same ones all over the galaxy). Her reaction was far more personal than that.

    It's interesting because Sabine is the opposite of Luke (don't know if it was intentional). She found out the Empire did bad things and left the Academy first chance she got (although I still say the level of guilt displayed indicates she was involved in superweapons unlike the regular weapons she uses on Rebels). Luke knows full well the Empire does bad things but is eager to join the Academy anyway, ignoring that his very joining helps the Empire.
     
  25. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    I'd think so.

    But then I thought the "Hey, maybe selling horrifying weapons to criminals is a bad idea!" was going to be a plot point, and it wasn't.