A/V STAR WARS REBELS (show's over, spoilers allowed)

In Luke's quest for Jedi info in the comics, it seems to me that people not relaying info to Luke about Kanan and Ezra would be a pretty big nonsensical SNAFU.

Even Ezra would be an amazing resource for Luke, "official" Jedi or no.

If they survive, this would need to be renconciled.

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As much as I hate to admit it, they really do need to die or else be removed from the board completely in some other way. Even if Ezra gives up the Force and just becomes your average Rebel soldier, you'd think once he hears about Luke he'd at least go to him and share what Kanan taught him. And as for Kanan, well...it pains me, because he is such an awesome character, but he honestly has to go. Especially since they turned him into the Blind Master, he's just too Force-knowledgeable to be around post-ANH.

 

It is interesting, however, that Ezra was notably absent for any and all discussions of The Chosen One, or the fact that Kenobi is protecting someone. He's basically just, "Listen, you're REALLY not supposed to be here. You're messing things up AGAIN, Ezra. Just ... go do something else. Go be where you belong. Which is not here with me, okay?" And Ezra, for once in his life is all, "Okay, yessir, Wise Master Who Is Far Beyond Me. So sorry. I'm out of my league. Like big time. Peace out."

Ben basically said, "Find your own story. You don't belong in this one." Which, apart from being very Meta, is also a fascinating IU character moment, both for Kenobi, and for Ezra.

 

You know...It is actively odd that Yoda and Obi would not be recruiting an underground Jedi Order with the survivors.

Even as a contingent if the Skywalker twins didn't pan out.

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Just spit-balling here, but I'm wondering if someone within the fledging Rebel Alliance isn't on the level and turns Kanan/Ezra over to the Imperials or at least makes the situation such that they need to run. That could be one explanation why Mon Mothma speaks with Bail in such hushed, indirect tones about Kenobi. (Yes, I know another reason is that Bail has already said Kenobi is dead.)

Regardless, I accept that a "Disney XD show" probably wouldn't kill the teenaged protagonist, but I guessing things heighten to the degree that Kanan/Ezra have decreased utility to a bigger scale rebellion and potentially become a liability if the Imperials develop the taste for Force users again.

 

I find it indicative that rebuilding a functional hierarchical Jedi Order is not particularly a goal at this point in time. Yoda didn't say, "Re-establish a Jedi Council, and restore the Jedi Order!" He eventually said, "Pass on what you have learned." While that doesn't need to be mutually exclusive, they don't need to go together, either. Choosing Not To Fight has been kind of a big theme in terms of what it now means to be an effective Jedi in this period.
That is how Kanan proves to TheTemple/(Yoda?) his readiness to be a Jedi Knight.

That is how Kenobi was able to continue to help and guide Luke.

It is how Luke cemented, and acknowledged his Knighthood

- and it has interesting implications for TFA Era Luke.

 

It would be ad hoc. My larger point is how Obi just dismissed Ezra so easily. Seems a little weird.

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Well....I don't think it went quite like that.

"You're in the wrong place, Ezra Bridger"

"We need you to defeat the Empire."

"What you need, you already have. Unfortunately, you seem to be letting it all go."

"If I have what I needed, why would the Holocrons send me to you?"

"They didn't. Maul did."

Obi-Wan has basically told Ezra that:

1. He know nothing about how to destroy the Sith
2. The Rebellion doesn't need him, they already have Ezra
3. Obi-Wan never had the secret to destroying the Sith. The only reason Ezra was driven to seek him out was because of Maul's manipulations.

It should be heavily emphasized here that Obi-Wan is lying. He does know how to destroy the Sith, the secret to doing so is right there on Tatooine. He tells Ezra a lie to get him to leave and give up the notion that the secret to destroying the Sith is with Obi-Wan.It's quite ironic that he says this, as he also says:
"He (Maul) manipulated the truth which has led you here, where you should never have been."
Obi-Wan manipulates that same truth to deceive Ezra into leaving Tatooine without the secret to destroy the Sith. He convinces Ezra that there is no secret on Tatooine, no knowledge Obi-Wan has that would let them destroy the Sith. Obi-Wan is doing the right thing, as the secret of the Skywalker twins is the one real chance left to destroy the Sith, and an impulsive, reckless boy like Ezra cannot be trusted with such a secret. But he is misleading Ezra. The Holocrons didn't lie to Ezra. The secret to destroying the Sith is right there on Tatooine, and Obi-Wan knows it. He just doesn't want to share it with Ezra.

 

I do like how defeating the Empire and defeating the Sith is not necessarily a 'two-for-the-price-of-one' victory on either front.

 

Even just Ezra knowing Kenobi is on Tatooine is a big danger for Obi-Wan. If Vader ever captured and brutally interrogated Ezra, Ezra would surely divulge the locations of any Jedi he knows of, including Obi-Wan.

 

Would he? Grand Inquisitor couldn't get any answers out of Kanan. Darth Vader couldn't get any answers out of Princess Leia. Would Ezra Bridger would break so easily?

 

Everyone breaks eventually.

 

Sure, but all we really know is they're inaccessible to the Rebellion by the time Rogue One comes around.

Also:

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I was fascinated with Obi-Wan saying Ezra shouldn't have been there, and that his presence has changed the course of many things. What does that even mean? Reminds me of @Sinrebirth's project...

 

I think we have opposite goals because what I want to see is there are no common soldiers except for rare mooks. I want to see stories about Star Wars soldiers who blow up AT-AT walkers by themselves, gun down hordes of Stormtroopers like Master Chief, and run the Kessel Run in less than 14 parsecs. Basically, lots of people like Boba Fett and Jahan Cross and so on. There should be more Muggle heroes but Star Wars shouldn't try to be a gritty war story land but full of Epic Heroes.

That's only if you see it as a problem. For example, I see no problem with Luke, Kanan, and Ezra hanging out. Kanan talking to Luke about the Force and even teaching him a few lightsaber tricks. Would that really violate canon so much?

Just imagine Luke going to Yoda with a bit more knowledge but nowhere near what he needs. Hell, imagine how awesome a team-up that would be.

 

Yeah. It bothers me. Obi-Wan needed to use one of those MIB memory pens before he sent Ezra back.

Hell, he didn't even swear the kid to silence. I realise that Ezra didn't immediately blab "GUYS I FOUND OBI-WAN" at the end of the episode, and perhaps he'll know better than to ever say, but I find it pretty hard to imagine him not confiding in Kanan, at least.

 

Obi-Wan violating a fellow Jedi's mind like that seems grossly out of character. It's a bad situation all round but Obi-Wan handled it as best he could.

Besides, there's also this other dude who knows named Bail Organa and his entire crew.

 

MIB memory sticks don't actually exist in SW, AFAIK. It was a joke.

Ideally he'd have found a way to get Ezra to leave without revealing himself at all.

 

Sure, that would be great!

But it's not the story that we have.

 

Isn't Luke searching for Jedi knowledge to develop his own skills a large part of his arc in the post-ANH NEU?

If Kanan and Ezra are around, and he's aware of them, there's no need for it, everything falls apart.

 

Yes I think this upcoming episode is an opportunity to kill off Ezra and Kanan, they shouldn't really be around post-ANH. If they were at Scarif, Im sure Vader would've sensed something. A disturbance in the force atleast. A season 4 without the jedi would be a good chance to fully embrace the idea of the rebellion and not having these jedi business interfere with telling that story.

 

I think there's almost zero chance of Ezra being killed off. Walking away from the Jedi way? Or the Force? Maybe. Killed off? Nah.

Kanan is the mentor, so he's always got a target on his back.

Maybe they'll just get trapped in that cave from Highlander III until the end of RotJ.

 

If they were around at the time of Scarif, what would've been the debate, even for the Gloomy Guses at the Yavin base? "Difficult-to-impossible task? Send in the Jedi."