Full Series Star Wars Rebels Season 4 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Rarely seen clip about Ahsoka pre-transformation

 

My God that is what Filoni thinks isn't it

 

I'm not going to defend Rebels here, but if you think an idea is awful, then yes, you should explain why you think so. After all, everyone has their own opinion.

You know what I will do? I don't bash the idea of Ahsoka turning into a white wolf, but I don't gush on it either.

I will do what is the only rational approach: I will wait until I see how it plays out on-screen, and will then decide, based on the outcome, if it is good or bad.

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I don't think its a bad idea that Ashoka is a white wolf, I just think it's not a star wars thing to do and i can tell Dave doesn't want to kill her off and is trying to make a excuse so she can be alive in the OT i understand that i really do. but that's how he was to do it make a wolf. this is one of the reason i consider old EU and new Eu canon for me is because as much as i love the new canon they try to make everything connect, i mean they could have has Ashoka still around New Hope and not have her as wolf. i mean they don't try to have a spreate story. also i of watch and grow to in joy Asoka over the years and i thank Dave for making her, it's just i never thoght her story would end with her becoming a wolf. i may have to change her fate in my canon. i already did that to two charcters i guess i will have to do the same with her. I don't know,i mean this is Dave's creation. but i will watch and see if i do not like how it turns out i will rewrite her fate in my own canon.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Ahsoka Tano died on Malachor. This wolf nonsense is just a physical manifestation of her spirit, a trick she learned from the Daughter of Mortis.


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I agree, nonsense. I'm flabbergasted that SG would allow Filoni to break Vader's character just to elevate Super'Soka...again.

 

TBF, the repercussion of her being saved by the Daughter has to be addressed at some point. They kinda left it up in the air what with TCW abruptly ending sooner then expected.

 

I guess Ahsoka's power level did go crazy in star wars Rebels, but Dave got so carry away he made the inquisitors look lame because he went insane on Ashoka power level

 

Perhaps but I don't need to walk in the rain, without an umbrella to know that if I do I'll get wet. Same with this, it just feels like Filoni is not even trying anymore and just making any old crap up. Like I said earlier this just seems like bad fan fiction and not even Starwars fan fic at that but to use an a similar example, when I read the KJA story of IG-88 transferring into the Death Star, I thought that was a bad idea too, so I'm being consistent.

 

Maybe the wolf takes them to the nether realm of the force and shepards them rather like the wolf-headed Anubis god of the underworld. But there is problems with all of this kinda thinking. It raises too many questions and asks us to further suspend logic and belief more than we should or need to. Did Ahsoka become a goddess on Mortis, if so none of that helped her from the end of that arc to finally facing Vader. Worst case, IS this just Filoni's way of ensuring her a life past death alongside Anakin, Kenobi, and Yoda(+Jinn). I don't really care for Ahsoka the bird and this Ahsoka the wolf. As much as I like Ahsoka, I don't think she ever earned all these gifted super-duper powers and literary luxuries that are more artificially gifted to her due to possibly Filoni's fan fiction and his personal favorites - which is fast becoming less Lucas SW or classic SW - more just his own personal toy chest. I rather prefer Marvel's take on SW over Rebels. But I will refrain absolute judge over this issue until after I see how it plays out.

 

All of this right here.

Anyway... I love that S4 is one massive arc that involves the Death Star.

 

yeah i can't wait for this season too

 

Seems appropriate

 

Kinda off-topic but I thought that Mortis was a pretty easy arc to understand. It's fully understandable so I don't really get this complaint

 

Spoiler

Way dose TV Tropes say sabine's mother and brother survived when everyone said they died?

 

ok thank you

 

ANH: Ben is slain by Darth Vader and becomes a disembodied voice that speaks to Luke.

ESB: Luke is trained by a 900 year old muppet wizard who sends him to a cave where he lobs off Vader's head only to reveal his own face.

ROTJ: Anakin, Ben, and Yoda all appear as Force Ghosts which are seemingly only visible to Luke. Empire is defeated by teddy bears.

TPM: Darth Maul is chopped in half and falls down a bottomless hole only to return later. Surviving only through his hatred.

AOTC: 10,000 Jedi cannot sense that Darth Sidious is right under their noses.

ROTS: Padme dies because she loses the will to live...

TCW: Mortis. (Side note: which is purposely left up to the viewer's interpretation as to whether the events were literal or figurative. Either way its purpose is symbolic and foreshadowing. The most we know is that it does not take place in the temporal world as stated by the Father. Additionally, Yoda and Anakin speak about Mortis in the season 6 Yoda arc. Just wanted to point those facts out as I have seen some confused thoughts on this matter on the boards.)

Rebels: Bendu becomes a storm and kills people.

TFA: Rey touches Luke/Anakin's lightsaber and has a bizarre Force vision.

RO: "I am one with the Force and the Force is with me."

My point is that every canon on-screen Star Wars story has involved either a bizarre depiction of the Force or required a suspension of disbelief Force related or not. Ahsoka becoming a wolf really is not too out there or unrealistic for the fantasy set in a sci-fi world that is known as Star Wars. Now the real question is whether the character of Ahsoka is worthy to have such a progression in her story? Is this the natural progression for this character? In other words: is this good writing? Ultimately time will tell. We do not even know whether Ahsoka truly does become a wolf in season 4. This is all just speculation even if the trailer and other evidence does seem to be pointing us that way.

Also, I do not understand all the Filoni hating. Saying he is awful because of this and that. I kind of feel like fans are "Lucas-ing" Filoni. Dave Filoni has been an incredible showrunner both on TCW and Rebels. Just as George Lucas is an incredible creator and visionary having dreamt up Star Wars as a whole. Yes, there have been missteps by both but I think it's a disservice to say they are awful as a whole just because of some small kinks in an otherwise amazing story.

Those are just my two cents on all this Ahsoka business

EDIT: Can't forget to mention the "magiks" in all that Nighstsisters business in TCW!

 

Spoiler

Because they both show up in a scene in the season 4 trailer that was not in the first episode previewed at celebration. Unlike with live action movies such as Rogue One, where digital film is cheap, each animated scene costs money, so the trailer is unlikely to contain scenes that do not also appear in the season episodes.

 

It's been an age since I put pencil to paper, but a sneak peek of a cartoon I couldn't resist...

"Hot Kallus"

 

Don't get all bogged down with it. In regards to using the force though, yeah I can't say that I care about it either way. Unless it's just like way out there I don't even care enough beyond is this entertaining anymore. I mean, the force wasn't even really that integral to Rogue One but the thing that made me scratch my head was the tentacle thing that not only apparently forces you to spill the beans but also messes with your mind?

I think that there's a lot of dissent on Filoni's direction of the series and his continued involvement because there's people that aren't doing it the way they would do it themselves. Really though, Filoni should be recognized as trying to bring as much of the EU/Legends as canon as he can when it makes sense to do so.