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Books A/V STAR WARS: ROGUE #$^$%&ING ONE: A STAR WARS STORY

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Mar 12, 2015.

  1. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Han's comment about 'hokey old religions' in ANH pretty much sums it up - no one denies the Jedi existed, the massive propaganda campaign by the Empire plus the absence of the Jedi has led the general public to dismiss them as charlatans and religious fanatics.

    I wonder if they'll give an 'Imperial official' version of the Clone Wars in the NEU - perhaps in the Propaganda book?
     
  2. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Basically every bad that Palpatine did, it was said that the Jedi did it. the Jedi engineered the war for political gain, the Jedi were secret allies with Dooku, etc.


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  3. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Considering that Sifo-Dyas, a Jedi, ordered the clones, and Count Dooku, a Jedi, led the CIS, I could see how Palpatine made it look that way.
     
  4. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    There's at least one thing we know, from Lost Stars: the Empire taught in their history books that Mace Windu was the leader of a "criminal gang" that interfered with a legal execution taking place on Geonosis, thus sparking the Clone Wars.
     
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  5. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Loving Tyrant of SWTV, Lit, & Collecting star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Lost Stars touched on this when the Battle of Geonosis was referred to as the event that kickstarted the Clone Wars because a "criminal gang" interrupted a legal execution.

    Actually the First Order, while still a fan of propaganda, taught at least its stormtroopers the truth about the history of the GCW.

    EDIT: Ninja'd by Lelal.
     
  6. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    This is sort of...fascinating? And bizarre? How does this work?
     
  7. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    Ten thousand Jedi in a galaxy of somewhere between one trillion and one quadrillion is not remotely "full". That's, at the most, one Jedi per 100 million beings--the entire US would only have three of them. You have better odds of meeting a Baldwin than a Jedi.
     
  8. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I used to think the galaxy forgetting recent history and just going with whatever hogwash Palpatine said because he was loud and inflammatory wasn't realistic.

    Then 2016 happened.
     
  9. CooperTFN

    CooperTFN TFN EU Staff Emeritus star 7 VIP

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    GEORGE LUCAS CALLED IT, HE'S GETTING LOTS OF CREDIT, EVERYONE'S SAYING SO
     
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  10. LelalMekha

    LelalMekha Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes, I found it weird too when I read it. It raises more questions than it answers.
     
  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Interesting thoughts.



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  12. Bly

    Bly Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    For some reason that picture just works so incredibly well for me too. Like I can hear the trailer music playing over it. Really looking forward to seeing more of him, even if he's not NEU!Merrick Simms.

    On the note of Starfighter Command generals leading from the front, folks like Salm, Crespin and now Merrick really make me wonder what Wedge's beef was with making General. It seems like there's a pretty good chance he'd stay in a cockpit if he'd accepted. :p
     
  13. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    Hmm, Imperial history must be like this. Chancellor Palpatine had wanted to continue dialogue with the Separatists, and was willing to give them special status and privileges to keep them in the Republic. Ever the practical man, however, he authorized "Creating a Grand Army of the Republic" in 22 BBY.

    But to the shock of everyone, violent religious extremist Mace Windu stated in the very Senate session that the Chancellor made his announcement in that he already had an army fully trained, equipped, and battle-ready behind the Chancellor's back (his plotting going back at least a decade). Claiming to be acting in the Chancellor's name, he attacked Geonosis while they were conducting a legal execution of a navigator of a spice freighter (spice being a dangerous illegal substance), because he and other extremist Jedi didn't believe in executions and weren't going to wait for the Chancellor to handle things diplomatically. This secret plot to clone a violent mercenary bounty hunter began during the last years of the corrupt Chancellor Valorum's term in collusion with Windu and other Jedi extremists--Palpatine basically inherited this wartime scenario from his predecessor.

    Count Dooku, a Jedi Master who pretended to leave the Jedi some time before, was enraged by Windu's power grab because Dooku wanted galactic power for himself, not Windu. As recounted in testimony by captured Separatist leaders ("Count Dooku would have killed me if I didn't help him... You have to believe me!" stated Ziro Desilijic Tiure), Dooku threatened, mind-tricked and intimidated Geonosians, Neimoidians, and others into building a droid army for him to counter Windu's clone army.

    Although Palpatine tried to continue dialogue and wanted to let the galaxy know that Windu disobeyed orders in attacking Geonosis, the widespread secession and battles had already begun immediately after Geonosis. Palpatine very much wanted to arrest Windu, but Windu threatened that the clone army military (under his command) would slaughter civilians if Palpatine ever revealed the truth.

    For 3 years the brave Chancellor was forced to publicly endorse the madman Windu for the good of the galaxy. Palpatine wanted to renounce Windu and the other violent Jedi extremists many times, but his hand was stayed knowing Windu had a secret trigger word that he would use to make the clones kill all civilians if Windu were ever exposed.

    However, the Chancellor was working in secret with the mainstream Republic military to educate the clones in the Republic way and eventually break them free of Windu's conditioning. Palpatine also knew that Dooku, a legitimate threat, needed to be dealt with first before arresting Windu. A newcomer named Darth Vader worked behind the scenes with Palpatine during the Outer Rim Sieges, killing Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist Council so that Palpatine could turn his attention on finally bringing Windu to justice for his crimes.

    In 19 BBY, with the death of Dooku and Grievous, Windu finally took action in believing he could finally take control of the galaxy with Dooku gone. Windu and his posse went to kill Palpatine, and Palpatine barely survived this battle as recounted in the Declaration of a New Order. More concerning, however, was that Windu finally utilized his trigger word in the clone army just before his attempt on Palpatine's life, fully expecting the clones to obey and slaughter countless civilians to support Windu's takeover of the galaxy.

    Thankfully, thanks to the strong ethical and moral education that Republic military like Moff Tarkin, Admiral Yularen, and Director Krennic had instilled in the clones during the war, the clones broke free of Windu's conditioning. When Windu ordered them to kill civilians, the clones turned on him and killed their Jedi brainwashers instead.

    Knowing that the galaxy can never again endure such violence, Palpatine created the Empire with changes in government to ensure Windu's and Dooku's deadly game can never be repeated. Furthermore, Moff Tarkin and Director Krennic are working on military projects, including the DS-1 battlestation, to ensure that any violent uprising is immediately terminated before they can threaten the galaxy with warfare again.
     
  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    However, only Picard has a fashion maneuver named after him. :)
     
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  15. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Hm, normally I'd agree with any declaration of Sisko being the winner, but he was saddled with an ill-fitting First Contact uniform for quite a while after the rollout. At one point he had his combage on the grey area just so it would be in the right place to tap. :p

    TC
     
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  16. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Mostly it's the question of why criminals freeing prisoners precipitated a war. Were the criminals the Jedi? Were the Jedi not understood to be in collusion with Dooku?
     
  17. AdmiralWesJanson

    AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost star 5

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    Picard had to deal with fussy things like tea and his uniform riding up. Sisko had more important things to do, like win the war against the Dominion. When he went to his tailor, it wasn't because his uniform didn't fit right, it was to find a way to get the Romulans into the war on the Federation's side.
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    With the answer being: Talk to Garak. "Just plain, simple Garak". [face_devil]
     
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  19. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    So character posters, they're a nice bit of design work, don't think they've been posted:
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    Not sure why the sizes are changing, oh well, some tech can work it out.

    One nice and subtle touch is the Death Star plans on the faces.

     
  20. sidv88

    sidv88 Force Ghost star 5

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    I was thinking of a possible plothole that might come up in Rogue One
    Rumor is Galen put the exhaust port in the Death Star on purpose as a weak spot. If so, what is the point of getting Jyn and the gang to risk their lives to get the Death Star plans? In ANH, the value of the plans was that they could be analyzed for a weakness. What I'm seeing is more like this:

    Cassian: We intercepted a coded transmission from your father.

    Galen: Hey Jyn. Tell Mon Mothma to put a proton torpedo in the port at the end of the Death Star trench at coordinates 9567 E, equatorial line. That should blow up this superweapon that can destroy planets which the Empire forced me to build.

    Don't bother risking your life or your friends trying to get the blueprints. What I said is all you really need to know. Ok, gotta go, maybe I can ask for a transfer to Zeltros or something. Later.

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  21. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    That's just the thing; I very highly doubt what everyone is speculating about Galen intentionally putting that port there. I don't think that at all. I think he just wants to get them the plans so they can analyze them. I don't think he put any particular weakness in when he designed it, probably for fear he would be found out and Jyn would be punished for it.
     
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  22. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    I think he put in an exhaust port because they needed to vent exhaust. ANH explains why this weakness exists: they weren't anticipating that snubfighters would attack the station, much less get as far as they did. Once they realize what the problem is they rush to stop them.
     
  23. Riven_JTAC

    Riven_JTAC Jedi Master star 4

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    Exactly.

    Mistakes happen. While Galen may have designed the station, he can't be expected to think of everything. If anything, it's on the Empire for not completing a good Functional Risk Assessment. :)
     
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  24. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    All very true.

    But for some reason internet critics assume that everyone is super-genius psychic and anyone making any kind of mistake is a total incompetent and/or the result of bad writing handing out idiot balls.
     
  25. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    Ohhhh I get it. This is one of those moral-driven stories. And the moral is... there are Death Star plans in all of us. Aw.