Star Wars Sacrifice

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  1. FriendlyPiranha Jedi Master

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    Not in my book. :D
  2. MaraStardreamer Force Ghost

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    In terms of killing major hero characters, Mara Skywalker is a very "safe" decision. She's an important character in terms of the dynamics of the Skywalker family, but she's not a movie character, and she's a part of the older generation of Han, Luke and Leia rather than one of the younger Jedi knights like Jacen, Ben, and Jacen's sister Jaina?she's not one of the characters who'll be expected to carry the story into the future of the timeline from here, in other words.

    In short, you get maximum story impact for minimum fan outrage.


    "Maximum story impact for minimum fan outrage"? Cred ca tipul asta nu stie pe ce lume traieste si habar n-are cati fani are Mara de fapt. Asa cum a spus si MaraJade 4S, impctul va fi mult mai mare decat cel din Vector Prime, in care l-au ucis pe Chewie, care e adevarat ca nu era personaj principal, dar totusi era singurul personaj din filme care a murit.

    Ma mira linistea care domneste momentan pe forumul de literatura. Probabil e din cauza spoiler-policy-ului care interzice discutia despre detaliile unei carti timp de 30 de zile de la aparitia sa, cu exceptia unui singur topic "spoilers allowed".

    A aparut si review-ul oficial al cartii:
    http://theforce.net/books/reviews/r_sacrifice.asp
  3. CyberFaust FanForce CR FF Romania

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    deci, who's in favour of killing lucas of now? :D

    ca sa avem si noi o schisma in forum :D
    i say kill the bastard inainte sa strice mai mult, daca nu, a 2-a barbie va creste si va creste pana va inghiti universul!
  4. Milena_Syan Force Ghost

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    I dunno... she had to die someday, but having her killed in the middle of some book in the middle of some series is too "by the way".
    You know, "the grass is green, the sun is up, oh, look, Mara's dead". It sucks they give it such little significance.
    For Mara, dying in combat is certainly a must (she's always been one of the most dynamic characters), but I kinda figured she'd die to save others.
    The fan(atic) thing is really exaggerated. Some author had to write about it, for crying out loud!
  5. MaraJade4S Jedi Knight

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    Dying in combat, da, mai merge... Dar asa... cu o sageata otravita... *damn Jacen Solo! :mad:


    Check this out: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mara#Rising_tensions - partea despre moartea Marei... :_|
  6. SVAndrei Jedi Grand Master

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    Why couldn't Jacen just kill George Lucas instead? I'm sure that whould have had worked out even better.
  7. MaraJade4S Jedi Knight

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    Am mai gasit niste informatii, si vorbind cu Mara, am zis ca mai bine le postez aici sa le vada toata lumea.

    Daca nu vreti sa stiti exact ce se intampla in Sacrifice, sa nu cititi mai departe :D



    Asta e ce mi-a povestit o prietena despre scena mortii Marei:

    "Mara was taking on Jacen to protect Ben and that Jacen seemed almost childlike as he realized it was Mara he was supposed to kill to become a Sith, to fulfill his prophecy.

    Mara was OF COURSE kicking Jacen's butt (who is heavily influenced by a dark force user- Lumiya) and was going to kill him (she had him in a grip and was bringing a blade or something down on him) when he like transposed Ben's face over his and she hesitated. He pulled a needle, full of poison, from his pocket and stabbed it into her leg when she hesitated. Its painful to read as Mara stumbled backwards, down to her knees and is in a shock like state. She stares at Jacen, clenching/unclenching her fist but unable to do anything else much.
    It struck me as awful when Jacen encourages her to just let go, don't go into a healing trance but to just let it go.
    Mara tells him: "You think...you've won, but Luke will crush you...and I refuse...to let you...destroy the future...for my Ben." . She then calls out Ben's name.

    We cut to Ben who is in the Hapes Cluster following Lumiya and he hears Mara call to him.

    Then we cut to Luke who is in his StealthX (near Ben I think) and he feels a change, feels an invisible hand brush against his cheek and then he 'knows that his world has ended'.

    From there, Jaina is next and comforting Luke while Han/Leia 'call' him and tell him they're so, so sorry and on their way to him. Corran wants to help but Luke has to do this himself. Reactions (his) didn't do much for me so I skimmed all this and can't say much
    about it more.

    Ben finds Mara's body and tries to heal her/then sits with her.

    Luke goes after Lumiya and (to make it short here) she falls over the cliff as they fight but he saves her this time. He promises to never let her fall again. They lock eyes and then in one swift move, he swings his saber in a decapitating arc toward her. (it was wierd to see Luke stare into her eyes first and then decapitate her).

    Then Jacen comes upon Ben with Mara's body and he tells Ben that they will find out who did this. Ben looks at him strangely and Jacen feels as if Ben will find out he was the one who killed Mara.

    At the end, Jacen looks in the mirror and dubs himself Darth Cadeus."

    And now the part when Luke sees Mara's body. This is from the book:

    <<Luke was grateful for something he still couldn?t understand.
    He paused before he walked through the doors to the compartment, taking a few deep breaths. Cilghal looked up as he came in, and moved as if to leave.
    Mara-no, Mara?s body?lay draped from the neck down in a plain white sheet on an examination table. Luke had steeled himself for something terrible, imagining her horribly disfigured or her features contorted; but she simply looked as if she were sleeping on her back, pale and peaceful, her red hair smoothly tidy in a way it never was when he watched her as she slept.
    ?It?s okay Cilghal,? he said. ?I don?t need to be alone with her.?
    ?Oh, yes, you do, Luke,? she said softly. ?And I can come back later.?
    ?I don?t understand it,? he said. ?But I get to hold her one last time, and I wondered if I ever would. I can?t tell you how grateful I am.?
    He couldn?t see Cilghal?s face now. His eyes were hot and brimming. She patted his arm.
    ?You thought she would become discorporeal,? she said.

    ?We talked about it once or twice. I thought she might choose that when the time came. I?m glad she changed her mind.?
    ?She certainly made sure we had evidence.? Cilghal paused for a second, inhaled sharply, and started again. ?It was poison, one I?ve never seen before. But I don?t doubt that she also wanted you to be able to say good-bye.?
    Cilghal turned and hurried out.
    Luke couldn?t speak or even look away from Mara, and spent a long time staring into her
  8. MaraStardreamer Force Ghost

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    :(
    Deja am inceput sa vorbesc despre Mara la timpul trecut...

    Totusi, mi s-a parut un pic cam rece atitudinea lui Luke si mai ales a lui Ben. Nu stiu daca voi citi cartea. Nu stiu daca voi mai citi carti SW. Fara Mara nu mai au nici un farmec.
    Am citit pe forumul de literatura cateva speculatii in legatura cu ultimul volum al seriei, Invincible. Datorita titlului, oamenii sunt tentati sa creada ca Jacen ii va ucide in final si pe Luke, Han si Leia.
  9. MaraJade4S Jedi Knight

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    N-am citit asta, dar e posibil... Din comics-uri (cu actiunea peste 100ani) se pare a fost o perioada in care Sith au revenit la putere. Galaxia in vremea lor este dominata de Sith-i. :(
  10. Sithlukas Jedi Padawan

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    Da in seria Legacy Sithii au ajuns la putere, insa printr-o alianta cu fortele imperiale(pe care mai tarziu le-au tradat-Krayt devenind imparat). Daca Jacen preia puterea si instituie o conducere Sith atunci ar aparea contraziceri fata de seria Legacy. De asemenea se precizeaza ca Sithii isi revin de abia in acea perioada, lucru ce determina alianta cu Imperiul. Insa perioada ce desparte seriile e de 100 de ani, si intr-o perioada de timp atat de vasta se pot petrece multe schimbari.
  11. Jedi_Umi Jedi Master

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    Hmmmm
    In mod clar seria star wars se transforma intr-o chestie care nu imi place. Dar probabil ca se apropie sfarsitul, nu? Ca doar oamenii astia nu or trai vesnic. Numai ca e cam nashpa felul in care probabil vor muri.
    Caci una e sa mori luptand imotriva unui inamic care iti e strain...si cu totul altceva cand dusmanul e o persoana pe care o cunosti/o iubesti si pe deasupra e si neam cu tine ]-}. Nu stiu ce urmaresc "factorii de decizie" dar in acest moment mie imi este neclar cine va duce saga mai departe (dupa ce Luke, Leia, Han is vor da obstescul sfarsit). Ramanem doar cu Jaina si Ben (asta daca nu, Doamne fereste, ii paste si pe ei sfarsitul sau vor trece si ei de partea intunecata si atunci o sa fie toti... a Big SITH Family )si asta fara intentia de a jigni celelalte personaje, dar ...mno, totul se invartea in jurul celulei Skywalker/Solo. Ah! dar sa nu il uit pe Darth Jacen.
    Hmmm...dar totul fiind ciclic probabil o sa ajungem din nou la situatia din episodul IV.
    ...sau nu.

    Hmmmm
    treaba asta incepe sa imi ridice mai multe intrebari decat serialul Lost.
  12. CyberFaust FanForce CR FF Romania

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    ba nu, pentru ca nu e nici un urs polar :D

    pana la urma s-a aflat care e faza cu ursul polar?
  13. ATTezeu Jedi Master

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    Eu ma intreb ce-i cu fumu'...

    P.S. Slava cerului c-au anuntat astia ca S4 va fi ultimul din BSG, ca ramasesera fara mistere :D
  14. MaraStardreamer Force Ghost

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    Fara ursi polari si alte SF-uri in topicul despre Mara :mad:
    Nu stiu de ce aveti voi doi pasiunea de a discuta chestiile astea in cu totul alte parti decat le e locul!

    Desigur, odata si odata trebuie si ei sa moara. Dar cred ca fanii inca nu sunt pregatiti pentru asa ceva. Exista deja comicsuri care se petrec mult timp dupa ce "vechea garda" si-a dat obstescul sfarsit, dar nu cred ca ar fi o miscare inteligenta ca noi sa citim despre aceste evenimente. Ei ar trebui sa ramana nemuritori...

  15. CyberFaust FanForce CR FF Romania

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    cateva chestii
    1. nu sunt sigur ca lost se poate clasifica ca SF
    2. de parca mara nu a intalnit destui ursi la vremea ei :)
    3. should we respect the fictional dead?
    4. ne place rau rau, si de fapt nu noi am inceput :D
  16. Jedi_Umi Jedi Master

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    Ai mare dreptate Mara.
    Eu am fost intodeauna fan Han Solo si de multe ori m-am gandit ca atunci cand nu o sa mai fie el universul sw isi va pierde farmecul pt mine. Insa chestia asta poate fi schimbata in timp prin "urmasii" vechii generatii ( de asta nu mi-a placut de loc faza cu gandacii -the killiks - cine puii mei vrea sa vad ca personaju principal se transforma in...insecta). Dar sincer mi se pare ca "autorii" dau cu stangul in dreptul si distrug ce au cladit pana acum.
    Si intradevar eu ca si fan nu sunt pregatita pentru asa ceva. No way Jose!!!!
    hmmm...life is a b**ch!!!
  17. MaraStardreamer Force Ghost

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    Daca Lucas va alege sa ne spuna cum vor muri eroii principali, va face o mare greseala dupa parerea mea. Ar demoraliza fanii - la fel cum s-a intamplat cu moartea Marei - si ma indoiesc ca va face mai multi bani cu ei morti decat vii.

    In alta ordine de idei, am vorbit cu Diva si am ajuns la concluzia ca ar fi cazul sa demaram un nou concurs de fan-fic-uri, in amintirea Marei Jade. Puteti alege orice subiect doriti, cu conditia ca personajul principal sa fie desigur Mara.
    Pentru ca e perioada de examene m-am gandit sa pun un termen mai lung, 1 august sa zicem. Iar premierea sa se faca la Timisoara, cu ocazia filmarilor.

    Ce parere aveti?
  18. ATTezeu Jedi Master

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  19. arapila Force Ghost

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  20. Jedi_Umi Jedi Master

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    pt CyberFaust:
    eu nu am clasificat lost ca si SF
    spuneam doar ca ridica multe intrebari

    [face_cowboy]
  21. CyberFaust FanForce CR FF Romania

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