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Statuatory Rape: AKA Jailbate.

Discussion in 'Archive: The Senate Floor' started by Obi-Wan McCartney, Apr 6, 2002.

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  1. Jedi_Xen

    Jedi_Xen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Were not going to appease everybody Gonk, somepeople just have to accept that they cant get their way all the time and there are laws. I think 18 is reasonable for everything except alcohol, unless you join the Armed Forces, then you are volunteering for your country the least your country can do is give you a drink, and with the pay the Armed Forces get thats not asking for alot.

    (I just got out of the Air Force, and they pay sucks with a capital suck.)
     
  2. MASTER_JEDI_BEEFCAKE

    MASTER_JEDI_BEEFCAKE Jedi Youngling star 2

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    What's going on over where you go to College? Are the pickings slim when it comes to the college female population? You need to tell your Frat buddy to take a look around at all the scattered you know what which is probably all around him.

    He better be careful or he will be in some BIG trouble if he's not careful.
     
  3. Jarik

    Jarik Jedi Master star 4

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    Despite what is being said mostly in this thread I do believe that the age of consent in MOST STATES in the United States of America is 16 NOT 18.
     
  4. Ariana Lang

    Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling star 5

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    In Texas, the age of consent is 17.

    But a girl can get married without parental consent at 14 and a guy at 16.


    How screwed up is that??
     
  5. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've never heard of such a low age for marraige without parental consent.
     
  6. Nunquam

    Nunquam Jedi Master star 1

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    Well, I still think it's not a good idea for a 15-year-old and a 22-year-old to be having sex. Personally, if I had a 15-year-old daughter and a 22-year-old so much as leered at her, he and I would have a "talk" he would never forget.
     
  7. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think asking questions gets better results than trying to force a point across.
     
  8. MynDonos

    MynDonos Jedi Youngling star 3

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    well, the idea isnt that its 16 to legally have sex, but if the guy is 18 and the girl is 16 or 17 the law usually tries to mediate it out between the two people and/or families, instead of prosecute to the full extent of the law. if the girl is under 16 charges will usually be pressed for rape.
     
  9. Duckman

    Duckman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes, the AOC laws are complete bulls!!t. If you don't believe me, then why are they different from country to country, or even state to state? I heard a guy could legally have sex with a fourteen year old in New Mexico, but cross the state line into Arizona and be arrested for the same thing! Also, they don't take into account mental maturity. People say that's to protect young people from being exploited. But what about, say, a 20 year old who has a mental age of 10? How do AOC laws protect them?

    Anyway, allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute. To the older guys who think you should be castrated for even thinking sexual thoughts about a girl under 18, just imagine you were stranded on a tropical island with Natalie Portman when she was 15. There's just the two of you. with little chance of rescue. How many of you would wait a whole 3 years before asking her out? I know I wouldn't :)
     
  10. KaineDamo

    KaineDamo Jedi Youngling star 5

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    Dating a girl at 15 and having sex with one are two different things. My girlfriend is 15. I first started dating her when she was 14. We haven't had sex yet. Its not that hard to wait if your serious about a relationship. If your not serious about it, you shouldn't be having sex.
     
  11. Duckman

    Duckman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah, but my point was they don't magically mature into an acceptable lover once they hit 18. Only in the eyes of a flawed legal system.
     
  12. Obi-Wan McCartney

    Obi-Wan McCartney Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes. But in my friends case, he doesn't love her, he isn't even planning on being faithful.
     
  13. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Of course hes not planning on m marrying her, we all know what a college age guy wants with a 15yr old
     
  14. Duckman

    Duckman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If he doesn't love her, then he is a bad man.
     
  15. Nunquam

    Nunquam Jedi Master star 1

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    "flawed legal system"?

    So what's your answer to fix it? Make age of consent lower? 15? 10?

    Remove it altogether and simply trust that the adult involved isn't a pedophile (or worse), and assume that the child isn't experiencing any psychological or physical harm? (In this scenario, what reason would we have to impose any age restrictions? With the same reasoning, kids should be able to drive, vote, go to war, work 18-hour days in coal mines, etc. I'm sure no one would take advantage of their youth and inexperience.)

    Or, keep it at age 18, arrest the people, have municipalities hire a board of psychologists to conduct a battery of tests to see if the individuals are "mature enough" to engage in adult-teen/adult-child sex before deciding to prosecute or give a stamp of approval?

    Ridiculous...

    (Refer back to the posts on "drawing lines" for my opinion.)
     
  16. FlamingSword

    FlamingSword Jedi Knight star 6

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    If he doesn't love her, then he is a bad man.

    How would you tell anyway? People love each other and still hurt each other. People don't care a whoot about each other and yet help each other.

    He might love her for the attention and worship she gives him. It's not all about love, it's about responsibility and maturity.
     
  17. KaineDamo

    KaineDamo Jedi Youngling star 5

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    "he isn't even planning on being faithful"

    And didn't you say that this guy was her first?? Quite frankly, your friend is an *******. I don't know why you bother defending him, or even why your his friend. I used to have a friend that was the same actually. He always cheated on his girls, and some of them were so nice. I couldn't respect him, or even like him.
     
  18. Obi-Wan McCartney

    Obi-Wan McCartney Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Well, he's a childhood friend, and we are in the same fraternity, so I'm just kind of stuck in the same lot as him. He's my friend, doesn't mean I approve of what he does. I mean, I don't think very highly of this 15 year old girl here either, she knows exactly what she's doing.
     
  19. Waning Drill

    Waning Drill Jedi Knight star 5

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    "How would you tell anyway? People love each other and still hurt each other... He might love her for the attention and worship she gives him."

    I think you just defined what it means to be a prick.

    How some people never seem to pick up on that is something I will never understand.
     
  20. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    how did he meet a fifteen yr old
     
  21. KaineDamo

    KaineDamo Jedi Youngling star 5

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    He disguised himself as a school and fooled her.
     
  22. Coolguy4522

    Coolguy4522 Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I don't like the fact that as a 18 year old, being with a 16 year old is called 'rape' That isn't the right word. Although it will never happen to me because I am not going to be doing it with anybody, I don't think that makes me some kind of sicko if I did.
     
  23. Dacks

    Dacks Jedi Youngling star 2

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    yep wrong word.
     
  24. Force of Nature

    Force of Nature Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Agreed. It seems foolish, to say the least, to describe an offence as 'rape' when, quite clearly, it is not. Putting a 'statutory' (aka 'government-speak') tag on it, merely adds insult to injury.
     
  25. Nunquam

    Nunquam Jedi Master star 1

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    I think "rape" is the perfect word. I'm no lawyer, but here's why I think so:

    States/countries decide on an "age of consent"...the age at which that society agrees people are able to consent to a whole host of things...enter into contracts, have sex, etc.

    If they are younger than that age, then they cannot legally consent...non-consensual sex is rape.

    Statutory (as I understand it) simply means that regardless of what the intent of both individuals may have been, one of the parties is not legally able to consent to the sex act, so the adult is guilty on the basis of statute alone.

    If the name "statutory rape" scares people or shames them, then good! That's what it's supposed to do...it's a law designed to protect children of any age and discourage adults from taking advantage of them.

    Why can't people see that? Is it so damn important that grown adults have access to teenagers and children for sex?
     
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