Lit Stepping Into A Larger World: A Metaphysical and Philosophical Discussion of the Force

DigitalMessiah · Oct 14, 2014

Dawud786 said: ↑

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Dawud786 said: ↑

Well, merging the Celestials and the Ones was Denning's thing. The New Canon would presumably have no such "Celestials."
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You'd be wrong seeing as the change to make Abeloth's plot part of the wider Mortis arc was an order that came from the top, it wasn't something Denning put in. Abeloth was just going to be this rogue Force entity. Her integration into the Mortis thing, like I said, came in much later.

If anything, the EU came in and saved the day as one of the Essential Guides (I don't remember which exactly, I think it was the Essential Guide to Warfare but it's been awhile) makes it clear that the Ones aren't any more correct than any other Force groups.

Despite this, Denning throwing the 'Celestial' label onto everything has been quite annoying, I wouldn't be surprised if he had eventually pulled a Reaper Mass Effect invasion with them.
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Abeloth was merged into the Mortis thing, but whose idea was it then to say the Ones were Celestials that took bodily form? As of Apocalypse, and I don't really dislike this, the Celestials have pretty much become Star Wars' Ainur and the Ones are the Valar. I'm quite partial to angelology, so to me that does actually deepen the metaphysics of the Force.
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_Catherine_ · Oct 19, 2014

DigitalMessiah said: ↑

The Celestials were first mentioned in Dark Nest. Denning linked the Celestials with the Architects. The word "Celestials" and Denning retconning everything into being them was Denning.

The "Architects" were just an ancient, mysterious civilization, and only responsible for Centerpoint and the Corellia system. This "ascended" race trope of Force users that are the Celestials was invented by Denning.
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Didn't the first Essential Chronology attribute Centerpoint, the Maw, and the Sharu to the same people? Maybe that was only in the second one.

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Lit Stepping Into A Larger World: A Metaphysical and Philosophical Discussion of the Force

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