Stormtrooper = clone or real human being

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  1. Jedipete33 Jedi Master

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    Ok I got in a fight over this in the classic trilogy forum. I want to know are all stormtroopers clones or are some of them raw recuits from planets around the galaxy?

    I say some are clones and some are recuits. While others think they are all clones.
  2. Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master

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    This is a never ending argument, some believe as you do while others believe differently.

    That is all, move along.
  3. Jedi_Satimber Jedi Grand Master

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    I tried to ask the OS...and they have not responded yet.
  4. Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master

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  5. Jedi_Satimber Jedi Grand Master

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    Original Site....starwars.com. :p
  6. Fire_Light Jedi Grand Master

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    The O is for official. :p

    And I think there's a recent quote that says they are a mix of clones and recruits. I'll have to dig it up.
  7. Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master

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  8. Robal_Krahl Force Ghost

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    id bet some are clones... but most are recruits. Remember, many of the worlds in the EU had Imperial training centers on them, and cloning cylinders were much to rare. Also, almost every stormtrooper has a different height, and if they were slones, they would all be the same height.
  9. Wes_Janson Jedi Youngling

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    Most of the origonal clones are dead of battle or age. Though some no doubt remain in positions such as drill instructors, and instructing special forces, and guarding Palpitine.
  10. Rogue9-Horn Force Ghost

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    Raw recruits!
    :D that all I have to say...
  11. Imperial_Hammer Manager Emeritus: RPFs

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    I would agree with what everyone is saying...

    Obviously, the Stormtroopers all started as clones....

    But the Clone Wars were taxing and killed alot of them off...after all, those droids are tough

    The Old Republic needed more troops, and they built their academies. One such example was the "Caridan Military Academy", located on the planet Carida, where they could train the troopers in the planet's harsh environment. The planet was staunchly loyal to the Empire after the Old Republic's fall, and the Academy was then absorbed into the "Imperial Academy System"

    Alot of literature actually exists on Carida for those interested.... The Essential Guide to Planets has it, as should any complete Star Wars encyclopedia...

    And then, of course, the rouge Kyp Durron blew it all up with the Sun Crusher... *shakes head sadly*. All those good Imperial men...
  12. Dev_Binks Jedi Grand Master

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    Sorry if I'm digging this up...


    For those who believe the EU is canon, the 'troopers are a mixture. If you're a purist then they're all clones. Neither is wrong, just different points of view.
  13. Fire_Light Jedi Grand Master

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    Yeah, but Dev, there's nothing in the movies themselves that points to the Troopers all being clones by the ANH era, so the whole purist/completist issue doesn't really apply here.
  14. Iron_Fist Jedi Grand Master

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    Quote from Insider:


    If the stormtroopers are supposed to be clone troopers, why do most of them have different sizes and voices in A New Hope?

    The realities of filmmaking in the 1970s and 1980s dictated the differences in stormtrooper voices and sizes in the original trilogy. Completely computer generated, exactly identical troopers were not possible until a few decades down the road.

    However, there is also an in-universe explanation, provided by none other than George Lucas himself. During the production of Episode III, Lucas told crewmembers that the stormtroopers seen in Episode IV are--in the story world--made from multiple sources. That is, they're not all Jango clones. By that time in the saga, other clone hosts had been selected.

    Lucas intimated that the selection process has become more political than strategic in some cases--a highly placed officer's cousin might be selected over a more capable specimen, for example. This politicalization results in less-than-ideal candidates, which could explain some of the embarrassing marksmanship witnessed in the Original Trilogy.

    ~

    So they're not all Jango clones by this quote. In the EU, there are specific references to recruited stormtroopers, whereas the films make no statement either way - they just show us Jango clones in AOTC and say nothing in the OT. As most of the EU is regarded as canon by Lucasfilm, this therefore makes the stormtroopers a mixture of clones and recruits, which makes more sense (making/growing/training/raising enough clones to control a galaxy is rather mind-boggling...). However, purists who disregard the EU say that all the stormtroopers are clones because the movie seems to imply that. It's a very subjective topic: you believe what you want to believe, really. If you take the EU into account, they're a mix. If not, they're all clones. :)

    In this forum, where the LFL policy on EU is taken, stormtroopers would be regarded as a mix. In the Classic trilogy forum, however, where EU is taken as one possible story arc to leave more room for post-trilogy speculation, stormtroopers would more probably be regarded as all clones. :)

    I_F
  15. Iron_Fist Jedi Grand Master

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    Errata: I forgot the last part of the Insider quote: [face_blush]

    In addition to multiple clone hosts, stormtrooper ranks also include conscripted soldiers and academy graduates, as has been chronicled in the Expanded Universe for many years now.


    I_F
  16. JoruusCbaoth Jedi Master

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    If a purist tries to argue that all Stormtroopers are clones, simply ask him why none of their voices were re-recorded by Jango Fett for the new DVD.

    After all, Boba Fett's voice is now the same as Jango's. Why wouldn't his "brothers" be the same?
  17. Imperial_Hammer Manager Emeritus: RPFs

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    Very True Joruus....

    Obviously Lucas agrees with the Mixed Troops theorem...
  18. rogue_wookiee Jedi Youngling

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    My guess

    Just after CW: Mostly clone remnants but the Empire is beginning a large conscript program.

    10 BBY: Some clones but probably about 70% conscript.

    OT period: Maybe the occasional clone survivor and some from Palpatine's tests to make better cloning tech. (you never know when you might need a million troops within a month) But the vast majority are recruits.

    TTT: Normal humans dominate but more clones than the past due to the Spaarti cylinders.

    HoT: Back to mostly human with a few clone survivors.

    By the Post NJO any clones will be very rare in the Remnant. I imagine they have shorter lifespans due to growth acceleration.
  19. Jedipete33 Jedi Master

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    Iron-fist this maybe true what GL said but what about the comics that have the empire recuiting troops.
  20. NJOfan215 Jedi Grand Master

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    i saw that quote in insider also.
  21. Iron_Fist Jedi Grand Master

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    Pete: Again, I'll say it's a very subjective issue. If you do take the comics to be canon, stormies are a mix. If you take only the films into consideration (which many people do, it's their right to), then you'll assume that all stormtroopers are clones. You believe what you want to believe, based on what you think counts. :)

    I_F
  22. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Pete...
    "Iron-fist this maybe true what GL said but what about the comics that have the empire recuiting troops."

    The demographics of the Imperial stormtroopers also greatly depends on when we're talking about.

    The earlier into the Emperor's New Order you wish to discuss, the greater numbers of clones you will tend to find.

    Well into the life of the Empire - circa the OT-era from ANH to ROTJ and beyond - you will find numerous recruits ranging from differing clone batches, non-clone recruits, and even non-clone consctripts.

    You really need to qualify any stormtrooper question with a specific date on the Star Wars timeline.
  23. TheAdmiral Force Ghost

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    I think that the most are recruits . But if I remember in the Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn Zann say that Emire started to produce Clones .
  24. Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus

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    If a purist tries to argue that all Stormtroopers are clones, simply ask him why none of their voices were re-recorded by Jango Fett for the new DVD.

    As was said above, because they're clones of different sources.
  25. Evil_King_Wiggins Force Ghost

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    The O is for official.

    JSat = Schooled :p

    But anyways, from what i've read from diffrent sources, It's all a mix! ;)

    Evil.
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