Stormtroopers=Clone... I have a very bad feeling about this....

Discussion in 'Revenge of the Sith (Non-Spoilers)' started by Gorion, Jul 5, 2002.

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  1. Gorion Jedi Knight

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    George only needs to say somewhere in Ep3 that all the Imperial Army is made up by clones and... voila! Instant greedo-shoots-first magic: All the white guys who die in the OT are just souless clones, the heroes don't kill anyone, life is great.
  2. Luke_Clone Jedi Master

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    "George only needs to say somewhere in Ep3 that all the Imperial Army is made up by clones and... voila! Instant greedo-shoots-first magic: All the white guys who die in the OT are just souless clones, the heroes don't kill anyone, life is great."

    If you watch the Death Star Conference scene in ANH you will see that the officers do not look/sound/act the same. The Stormtroopers are the clones, the clones are lead by non-clones. Why does everyone in the Imperial Army need to be a clone?
  3. Gorion Jedi Knight

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    Sorry, with Imperial Army I meant the soldiers and the pilots, not the officials.
  4. IronParrot Manager Emeritus

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    And that's a problem?

    First of all, nobody said the clones were soulless...

    And even if they were, that would only soften the moral consequences of the Rebel actions, as well as the level of violence in the OT.
  5. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Dude, they are stormtroopers. Even my 52 year old dad and 46 year old mom got that part of AOTC. :p
  6. Mace Windy Manager Emeritus

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    I agree with IP.

    How is it a problem that the "heros," the people who we are supposed to look up to, aren't causing as many deaths as we may have once believed....




    :cool: Mace Windy,
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  7. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    You don't agree with me? :( *sniff* :_|
  8. Mace Windy Manager Emeritus

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    I would Sithy, but I don't have a 52 year old Dad or a 46 year old mom....



    :cool: Mace Windy,
    three years, doesn't it just blow you away!?
  9. Queenie Amidala Force Ghost

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    I also am lost as to how and why it matters that the clones are stormtroopers. [face_plain]

    We knew way back when about the clone wars. There's been speculation on this forever. What exactly about the story truly changes by knowing that clones and stormtroopers are one in the same? ?[face_plain]
  10. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Windy, you don't have to have them, just agree that I do. :D

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  11. Mogook Jedi Master

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    Clones are still human beings. It doesn't matter if they were conceived in a natural way or created in a tube, they're still living humans. So, the "good guys" are still killing real people.
  12. IronParrot Manager Emeritus

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    True, but that's a different argument entirely. We also know that the clones are also only partly sentient because they are essentially programmed and produced en masse; they are not individuals, but rather fighting machines that can think creatively, which is a tactical advantage over the flawed AI of battle droids.

    Therefore, the moral argument of killing stormtroopers could really go either way.
  13. The Mentos® Strikes Back Jedi Master

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    Its a W-A-R, hero's kill. Come on now.
  14. Luke_Clone Jedi Master

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    "Sorry, with Imperial Army I meant the soldiers and the pilots, not the officials."

    Oh, that's ok, sorry I misinterpreted you Gorion. [face_blush]

    Anyway, I really didn't feel anything for any of the stormtroopers that got blown away in the OT to begin with. They were all faceless, evil bad guys with no or little personality or individual characteristics.. the fact that they are all clones only reinforces the feelings that accompanied their deaths when I first saw the OT. :)

    I hope Lucas confirms that the Imperial Pilots are also clones... that would be cool. :)
  15. Gorion Jedi Knight

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    as well as the level of violence in the OT.

    Exactly. It is a war. A civil war. I just don't want the GCW turned into a Disney film. I had enough with Greedo shooting first, or the Naboo Starpilots being invulnerable.

    I know the films are for kids, but I don't think it's ok to show a civil war where only a few Imperial officers and Rebel pilots die (ok, and the Alderaanians (or perhaps in the ultimate mega speial edition the Death Star goes and blows Dantooine)).

    In addittion, it sucks when they try to make the good guys supergood and the evil guys extraevil.
  16. DarthMaul13 Jedi Youngling

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    It would make the good guys look less 'evil' if the stormtroopers are in fact soulless clones. They have no families and loved ones, and they may not fully understand their own existence. They are like droids and can be destroyed with no remorse.
  17. REBEL_SKUM Jedi Knight

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    they do look strikeingly similar to strom trooper and I think there is great potential for the clone troopers to become strom troopers, but there are also a couple holes that need to be filled in before we can positively know that happens.

    Jang fett the source is dead, now in the movie they never said it but in the script that was floating around, he had to live on kamino becuase they had to get a fresh dna sample everyonce in a while or else the cloaning didn't work.

    Now the obvious answer to that question is can't boba fett just be used in stead, however who knows where boba goes after the arena battle

    also yes the armour looks incredibly simular but not identicle wich means that there is a chance that there is some sort of new type of trooper, clone or other who knows?

    my point is that there is still enough holes to not have me jump to what seems like a logical conclusion.
  18. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    Lucas stated not too long ago that Stormtroopers were the clones. Or clones anyway.
    This doesn't change anything. Any stormie that get's shot still get's shot.
  19. KaaShamau Jedi Master

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    Can somebody please tell me where that quote is from? Or better yet give a link?


    I dislike the idea :mad:
  20. Sithman Jedi Grand Master

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    Dantooine, Ord Mandell, Anoat, Bespin, Sullust,
  21. Padawan716 Force Ghost

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    They're clones, they're your enemies, so you shoot them, and kill them...
  22. IronParrot Manager Emeritus

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    Well, like I said earlier, the clones are basically flesh-and-blood fighting drones. One could argue that there is a lesser degree of moral responsibility/consequences when you kill them, even though they are living, breathing human beings.
  23. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    It was in a magazine
    It was posted in the AotC forum. I have no idea where the link is though.
    There are those in there though, that have a link for all occasions :p
  24. thenink Jedi Knight

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    ...or the Naboo Starpilots being invulnerable.

    I would just like to point out that a couple of Naboo pilots were killed in TPM.



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  25. That_Wascally_Droid Jedi Grand Master

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    My favorite Disney moment is when Snow White goes beserk and slaughters the entire tribe of seven drawfs :)

    'I killed them. Killed them all. And not just Doc. But Grumpy, and Dopey too. They're like midgets and I slaughtered them like midgets. I HATE THEM!'

    This is right up there with the Lion King when Simba impales, dismembers, decapitates and finally cuts Scar in half and sends his pieces falling down a tube :)
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