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Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Punk , Mar 16, 2016.

  1. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Today, the U.K. have unveiled a new sugar tax on soft drinks. The hope is that it'll offset the growing obesity problem here, especially with more children than ever, being overweight.

    It's a start, and a somewhat positive thing (I guess). The problem is that unless you make all your food yourself, you are likely to be consuming way more sugar than is healthy, as most foods are full of hidden sugars nowadays.

    Processed food, and ready meals are the worst for hidden sugars, but you're not even necessarily safe if you stick to things like fresh fruit and veg.

    Many states in the U.S. have some form of soda tax, but it hasn't really abated the obesity problem there.
     
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  2. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    You fat ****.
     
  3. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    1st senate tag fail for punk
     
  4. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    But rather than tax, I think they'd be better off restricting the food makers. But I'm sure it's easier to punish the little man.
     
  5. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    I get free soda at work, but I exercise frequently to keep the weight off.
     
  6. Mortimer Snerd

    Mortimer Snerd Force Ghost star 4

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    I love that avatar...one dog goes one way the other dog goes the other way...and this guy's like "whaddya want from me?"
     
  7. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Force Ghost star 7

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    Piling on taxes is an effective way to reduce consumption though. It worked with tobacco in the U.S. But I'd also like to see a major public health consumer education campaign. Britain is actually one of the best countries in the world, if not the very best, in creating and running those kinds of campaigns. It's a great tool in the public health arsenal along with, of course, socialized medicine. It's relatively easy to test and measure outcomes.
     
  8. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    That's the point of this law. People have a major financial incentive to prefer cheaper, processed foods to healthier but more expensive alternatives. A tax helps level the playing field.
     
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  9. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Was it taxes though, or was it successful negative advertising and a ban on positive advertising, and smarter younger generations that has seen cigarette consumption lower? As a smoker, it would take a serious increase in taxes for it to be a reason for me to quit. Like..prices triple- or quadrupling.
     
  10. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I agree, I don't think taxes alone do much in cases like this. They can help in conjunction with a public health consumer education campaign, though, like Rylo Ken said.
     
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  11. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Force Ghost star 7

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    right. I agree that lowering the prevalence rate of smoking in the U.S. was the result of a multi-pronged approach.
     
  12. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Supposedly, that tax money that will be generated in the UK, will be plowed back into education, and activities at schools
     
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  13. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Yes, and I've just heard that it is the companies being taxed rather than the end user, so that's good.
     
  14. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Surely, they'll just raise prices. This may end up being another tax on dumb people
     
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  15. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    Oh for sure.
     
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  16. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, they've got to do something. Type II diabetes treatment accounts for about 10% of the NHS pharmaceutical budget.

    Without wanting to get too tin foil hat, the food and pharma lobbies are ridiculously strong and have plenty of government ministers in their pockets. I'm sure this is only happening because they've found another way to beat baby seals to death with lead pipes for money.
     
  17. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    What would work better is honest labeling on the actual sugar content, thus:

    This bar contains 50% of your daily sugar.

    Not the current style:

    20g of this product provides 0.2 of your daily allowance (or some such opaque rubbish).

    Of course, that might actually see sales of sugary crap fall and loss of tax revenue. As to who gets the tax money - well, they need to fund all those academies somehow....
     
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  18. Luigi

    Luigi Jedi Master star 4

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    Don't hold the manufacturers responsible, instead tax the populace for being addicted to it. Hooray capitalism!
     
  19. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    Today I had a coke, Madagascan Vanilla icecream, two Milkyways, and a Galaxy Ripple. Screw this health thing.
     
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  20. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    Lightweight - Chai Latte is what the real sugar fiends hit.

    (Ever since that 25 teaspoons of sugar to a latte report came out, I've felt far better about my bad habits!)
     
  21. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    Lets just go back to blaming carbs for making people fat and leave sugar alone.
     
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  22. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Not true. No state has a sugary drink tax. NYC has a soda tax, but it's far less broad the the UK's.

    To look for an example of a soda tax similar to the one in Britain, look at Mexico. They instituted a sugary drink tax and it's been successful in reducing the amount consumed by people. No, a small tax will not significantly reduce obesity rates, but sugary drinks account for a large chunk of the added sugar consumed by people.
    I hope you're joking.
     
  23. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    you're right. I mistook sales tax on soda (which I think does exist in many states), to be a soda tax in the mexican/uk sense.
     
  24. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Sales taxes do exist in most states (hooray for putting the burden on people who are less able to bear it), but they don't target soda specifically AFAIK.
     
  25. duende

    duende Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    i think we should tax posts on this board.