Amph (The) Suicide Squad

I'm totally okay with the extended cut, if only because I kinda wanna see the bit in the trailer when Harley said "Water is probably a good idea" for El Diablo. Dunno if the final scarred-face Joker confrontation will be in there cuz, honestly, I'm not sure the movie needs it, really.

 

Really? Don't people have better stuff to do? Also don't they know that even if something is prominent in the trailer don't mean that it is going to be as prominent in the movie, just like stuff that we only see glimpses of in the trailer, or not at all, can have huge roles?

The bar seen is one I would have like they kept, at least after showing it in the trailer but I don't care about scarred-face Joker.

 

just saw this .

it was alright , but I couldn't help thinking that it relied too heavily on HQ , she's great and all but the rest of it wasn't much .
crocodile man - what was the point ? same with capt. Boomerang . Will Smith has a little daughter he cares about so much awww ! gimme a break .

how did the Joker survive in the exploding helicopter ?

oh - and too many pop music cues , always a lazy option to spice up the movie .

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Killer Croc's point is that he's the strongest of the bunch and his swimming skills were vital to stopping Enchantress. Captain Bommerang is one of the long running members of the Suicide Squad in the comics. His presence is because of that and to show that not all of the criminals want to change. As to Deadshot's daughter, that comes from the comics where he wanted to do right by her, though for different reasons.

 

But what does that have to do with the stated purpose of this team in the film? How is some guy who is mildly stronger than normal and a good swimmer going to help against Superman? Are they recruiting Ryan Lochte for the team, too?

 

Plausible deniability is the handwave in the comics Just having a few scary monsters or violent psychos involved makes sense if you're presenting the operation as the activity of a gang of supervillains. It kind of applies to the film, but it is a logical problem when the squad is supposedly formed to counter the metahuman and alien threat rather than being a common or garden supervillain overt black ops team, but they had to shoehorn this film into the Superman/JL continuity somehow.

I think the next time we see SS they will be more like their comic version, someone will remark on the change and a snappy comment will handwave it away so we will all be able to stop thinking about it.

 

Considering the team took out the ghost of an evil witch, I'd say it worked out well. Besides, Croc is more than just a swimmer. He's also stronger than everyone on the team and can take a beating. The Squad is assembled based on who is suitable for the task at hand. Waller had picked this team not to deal with a Kryptonian threat, but to deal with Enchantress and to work any other potential situation. Fortunately, they never got to that stage of dealing with Darkseid, which is what the coda scene was about.

 

Has anyone watched the EE?

 

Kenneth Morgan That was one of their best.

 

I hate having to pick sides in the non-human war but Wocky is correct. The express purpose of the suicide squad in the film was to take on the next Superman. Not to stop Enchantress. Their mission changed, yes, but that was not why they were picked and assembled. It's an inconsistency in the script. Don't argue or do into your D:/ComicsPorn folder for obscure panels to explain the point. Just accept that they "done goofed" and move on.

Oh ****. I didn't ask for no insipid gif responses too. That'll cost me.

 

Yup. It doesn't make much of an impact on the film like the Ultimate Cut of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. You're not really missing anything if you stick to the theatrical cut.

 

I'm not sure the writers 'goofed' up, I'm sure they're well aware of the issue. But, as V-2 says, they needed to build it into the continuity, and they figured the average viewer wouldn't apply wockyesque levels of critical analysis to a dumb superhero movie. And they're right. Still liked it on second viewing tho, still mainly for HK and, to a lesser degree, the Joker.

 

The squad were assembled to service the needs of the script, but the premise was to take down another Superman. Arguably (inarguably lol) none of these guys could do that. Enchantress could, but Croc? Slipknot? Boomerang? Harley? Deadshot? el Diablo?

Noooppppeeee.

 

I agree the premise is flawed, my point was only that the writers probably already knew this but had to go through with it anyway to build it into the continuity (as opposed to them not thinking it through or something). If you're being generous you could argue that villains with super strength or the ability to use fire stand a better chance against a superman than a normal person. Still, it's basically one of those points you just have to forget about.

 

The question was asked what would the government do if Superman had gone rogue, what would be done against him. The Squad itself wouldn't be able to do much, but before she went rogue, Enchantress could because Kryptonians are vulnerable to magic. The purpose of the Task Force X program is to recruit those suitable for certain missions. Superman's dead, but the Metahuman threat is still out there, which was the point of Lex's files on the JLA and why he would create Doomsday. They weren't created just to deal with a Kryptonian. You're focusing only on Superman and not on other threats.

That's why at the end of the film, Bruce tells Waller to shut it down. They're too dangerous and he and his friends will deal with not only them, if they don't, but with other threats.

 

Which metahuman threat will be defeated by simply being good at swimming?

 

Aquaman. Black Manta. Enchantress and her brother. You do know that Batman's had trouble fighting Killer Croc? Croc is more than just a swimmer. Dude used to wrestler alligators and crocs and won. Managed to pry open their jaws with his brute strength. Can lift slabs of concrete.

 

And rocks. Big rocks.

 

I don't think I've ever loved you so much, Diggy.

 

I'm not interested. But I will let you **** on my *****.

 

The sad thing is the contrast between that episode and the films we're discussing highlights exactly how much potential the DC films had, and thus how thoroughly miserable they are to have turned out this way.

 

How much of the joker stuff ends up in the extended? I really would only be interested in watching this again if there's more awkward jokerness.

 

You know, it's funny. After actually seeing the first two scenes with Joker in this movie, I only wanted less of them.