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Lit "Superman" Luke of the EU

Discussion in 'Literature' started by DarthPhilosopher, Jan 9, 2018.

  1. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    These 3 guys are the Legends sequel trilogy. The Thrawn Trilogy is Legends Episode 7, the Dark Empire Trilogy is Legends Episode 8, and the Jedi Academy Trilogy is Legends Episode 9.

    We get the rise of the New Republic, answers to plot threads from ROTS (that didn't even exist at the time of publishing!), and re-establishment of the Jedi.

    In canon so far we get the destruction of the New Republic, no answers to ROTS (just more questions like who is Snoke), and the destruction of the Jedi down to some books and a girl who only ever got 2 lessons and will have to self-train from hereon out.
     
  2. Force Smuggler

    Force Smuggler Force Ghost star 7

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
  3. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    The only way that the sequel trilogy would have continued in that way was if Episode VII was released in 1986, Episode VIII in 1989, and Episode IX in 1992.

    Return of the Jedi was originally intended to deal Vader, but the Emperor and Luke's sister Nellith would have been brought into the sequel trilogy, per Gary Kurtz.

    Jedi Academy is a pretty garbage denouement though. There's not really a flow to that trilogy at all, especially since Dark Empire never really fit given it was written with placement about a year after Return of the Jedi, and the New Republic is suddenly reduced back to the Rebel Alliance hiding at a secret base again after controlling a majority of the galaxy less than a year prior after it was moved to keep it consistent with Zahn.
     
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  4. MasterPrince713

    MasterPrince713 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Ooh. Interesting. I'll be sure to keep that in mind.
     
  5. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    And how is this different from what we're getting now?
     
  6. Revanfan1

    Revanfan1 Force Ghost star 6

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    I see your point but I still think that the idea of him choosing to move on is more accurate to what we saw for a number of reasons. First of all, yes, he looked completely exhausted after the projection, but just moments later, by the time he'd climbed back on the rock and begun meditating, he didn't look so exhausted. Second, I think a short time jump was implied, because after the shot of him collapsing, there's an "exterior" shot of the island, before cutting back to Luke. So I think a short time passed in which he recovered. Third, Rey and Leia's conversation about Luke dying peacefully implies to me that he was not hurt or exhausted when he died.

    Now given, Kylo's line about "the strain would kill you" does seem to be foreshadowing...but I choose not to see it that way. Otherwise, he wouldn't have tried to reach out and mind trick her because the strain would've killed him. I think it has to do more with Rey's lack of training. But I guess that also goes back to the idea that channeling a certain amount of Force energy would be harmful and that not seeming to line up with ESB, so...I don't know.
     
  7. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Kylo in 9: Look at me project across the galaxy without dying!

    Rey: How??

    Kylo: Luke was only Jedi Master level 40. His HP was too low. After grinding I am now Dark Jedi Master level 90!!!

    Rey: :eek:

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  8. The_Four_Dot_Elipsis

    The_Four_Dot_Elipsis Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yeah but at least in canon the promise of a starship hyperspacing into something is delivered on.

    Any universe in which Empire's End, any of the JAT, or even erm, Luuke is gone is a marked improvement
     
  9. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    but Luke walks on lava

    you won't find that in nucanon
     
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  10. nancipants

    nancipants Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Ummm...he does something similar in Legends of Luke Skywalker!
     
  11. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Dr. Cylo says hi ;)

    Yeah the Legends Executor's shields withstood 3 star destroyers hyperjumping into it in Escape to Hoth.

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  12. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Jedi Master star 4

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    Even if that were true (and you have a long way to go to convince me that it is; "preserve one's own life for as long as possible" doesn't appear in the version of the Jedi Code I'm familiar with), it's debatable that passing into the Force as Luke did is "dying" in any way that actually matters. There is no death, there is the Force.
     
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  13. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Knight star 4

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    LEGENDS of Luke Skywalker.
     
  14. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 6

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    I agree that's a sequel trilogy that grows naturally from the end of Return of the Jedi (and I absolutely loved when they came out and still do!) but my only small quibble is that it's missing the generational jump aspect that defines the Star Wars trilogies. But as a "somewhat immediate sequel to Return of the Jedi" trilogy, it's pretty solid.
     
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  15. Xander Vos

    Xander Vos Jedi Knight star 1

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    That book title is such a tease. I honestly thought I'd open it and see warped stories from the old Legends that were semi-brought back into canon in the guise of the myths that Rey heard about. (Shadows of Mindor, Luke v Luuke, things like that).
     
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  16. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

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    Bantam era inconsistencies I think aren't that much an issue to solve-to be sure the critical reader will find them but there not that bad an issue-and most of the time can be retconned easily or creatively depending on the individual inconsistency.

    But they did expand the story-Jaina and Jacen had adventures, there were new threats-Ssi Ruu, Nagai, Yevetha, and things besides OT 2.0 happened.
     
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  17. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    This is a false equivalence. The last JA book came out in 1994. More than a decade after Return of the Jedi.

    We're currently not even done with the sequel trilogy.

    So let's hold off on the prophetic judgement a while longer hmm?
     
  18. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Master star 4

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    Thanks for the responses people.

    I'm surprised by those who think the post-NJO Luke is more in-character than TLJ Luke. I mean it sounds like they essentially threw out things about his character they merely made more open to interpretation in TLJ.

    I am fine with Luke's portrayal on Pillio. He only kills when he is attacked, and I view his assistance of Del as him caring for his enemies (but naturally he can only help another if they are willing to be helped, not that he just kills or disregards people who don't ask for help).

    Ehh, I don't think the ST is any less of a 'natural continuation' then those examples you give.

    Granted, we don't have IX yet, but the ST basically follows this structure:

    7: Fascism and evil still haunts the Republic and the galaxy, striking from the shadows. The Jedi are sought out to assist and return, both by the good guys (Republic and Resistance) and the Force itself (by awakening Rey) to defend the galaxy.
    8: A debate which centres around 'passing on what you have learned' and the responsible you have if you fail. Whether the Jedi should be restored given they can give rise to essential walking genocide machines. Are the Jedi essential to the light? Whether their failures mean they are actually too dangerous to restore. The answer is yes they should be resorted, but not because of their practical abilities, but because of the inspiration and leadership they provide for the galaxy. Luke becomes Space Jesus, with his apprentice and new disciple beginning of the new Jedi.
    9: The new Jedi, taught by Luke's failures and inspired by his example, are rebuilt?

    I think that's a natural continuation.
     
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  19. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You're saying there is a natural continuation where writer of 7 (JJ) doesn't know what writer of 8 (Rian) will do and vice versa? Rian didn't even know why Luke was on that island. JJ didn't know and left it up to Rian to figure out. This is all in interviews.

    9 is a who knows what now.

    7 clearly had other ideas for Snoke and Rey's parents that 8 went in the complete opposite direction of. There's no "map it all out" structure here so if things come off as a natural continuation, it's more an illusion and a coincidence than any actual overall writing structure.
     
  20. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Master star 4

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    You mean like the relationship between Zhan, Vietch and Anderson's writing?

    Whether or not the whole thing was planned out before hand doesn't mean it's not a 'real' (whatever that even means) natural continuation. I mean most of the best continuations in SW weren't planned out before hand...while stuff that has been has felt disjointed.
     
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  21. nancipants

    nancipants Jedi Padawan star 1

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    There's always a bit of truth in legends.
     
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  22. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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    Wait the EU was planned out?

    man that makes it even worse
     
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  23. Jedi Princess

    Jedi Princess Jedi Knight star 2

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    Yeah right? People act like The Last Jedi was a giant middle finger to Abrams (forgetting that Abrams is a producer and publicly voiced his approval of the script since the beginning), then forget the torturous discontinuity between the Thrawn trilogy and Dark Empire cuz Zahn refused to play ball.
     
  24. DigitalMessiah

    DigitalMessiah Chosen One star 6

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  25. sidv88

    sidv88 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    They are both disconnected. Neither is organic. In the end, what does one find more enjoyable? I know what I find more enjoyable, it's not 7 and 8. If I have to apologize to disappointed friends on these movies and explain "That really wasn't Star Wars"... Yeah :(

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