Surviving Super Star Destroyers

OK, they were the biggest, baddest warships in the universe (doubters may check the SSD stats on swrpgnetwork.com revised to fit Curtis Saxton's 17,600 meter length estimate). We know that the New Republic had two Executor-class ships, the Lusankya and Guardian, in its fleet shortly before the Corellian crisis. We know nobody wrote off the Executor-class ship Aggressor and Jerec's unique Vengeance. My question is, where are these ships in the NJO?

My theory is that the Lusankya and Guardian are still in existance. After all, both ships were beat to hell when they were captured, and the NR spent a lot of time and money repairing them (especially Lusankya, since she was refitted while the NR was recovering from the Krytos plague and during Thrawn's campaign). I don't care how peaceful the galaxy's gotten or how abyssimally retarded the government is, those ships would not have been scrapped. Hell, scrapping them would cost so much money that it would be cheaper to just put the ships in dock and mothball them if you wanted to ditch them. There are a lot of possible explanations for why neither ship has seen action (that we know of). Any kind of dockyard maintenance or reactivation process could keep an SSD tied up for years (heck, it takes three years to refuel a nuclear-powered carrier, and an inactive SSD would need a complement of roughly half a million soldiers and pilots for full operational capacity). They could have seen action and not been mentioned (the battle for Coruscant in SbS would have made Endor look like a two-bit skirmish, and SbS represented the first really big fleet actions by the NR in the NJO - the SSDs could have been lost in the clutter, or could have been part of the reinforcements cut off from Coruscant).

And if Aggressor and Vengeance were never destroyed, who has them now? The Remnant, warlords, the Republic, or the Chiss?

 

I believe a few sources that may just be fan speculation placed Jerec's Vengeance in the hands of one of its officers or otherwise an Imperial Commander, and that its just been wandering around the Fringes since Jedi Knight. As to the Lusankya I think it was ordered scrapped, but as some have pointed out, just because Mon Mothma gave the order doesn't mean it was followed through. The rest of the SSD's were in the hands of various Warlords as far as I recall...

 

AS far as i know, Mon Mothma ordered al SSD to be scraped. The NR didn't want an image like the Empire with a massive show of force to make populations submissive, so they concentrate on smaller cruisers, Mon CAl Cruisers i believe are the biggest they've got.

The SSD in the Black Fleet was found wasted and unrepareable at the edge of the galaxy, so that ones gone.

Plus, i doubt that they'll sunddenly rememebr a mothballed SSD laying around in dock somewhere, especially after all of the VOng invasion. If they were going to get it out, they should ahve by now. Though i wouldn't be too surprised if Iblis or someother general says "Here's a SSD. We've been repareing it and ungrading its systems for the past 2 years and now its unstoppable." I would be cool, but still unlikely,,,...

 

I dont think its going to matter much, a SSD has tons of flaws...

 

The order to scrap an SSD by Mon Mothma was in Shield of Lies. The Essential chronology later revealed that the Lusankya was still in action under the command of Wedge Antilles two years after Mon Mothma's resignation. And why junk the Lusankya and then stage a big, risky commando/fleet operation to get a hold of another one that you have to spend time and scads of money to repair?

And in reply to the flaws, an SSD is better off than any other warship - if the NR still has them, they might be able to mount some kind of a counterattack and get the initiative in this war.

 

Mon Mothma ordered the SSD to be scrapped. No novel has ever said that the order was actually carried out.

 

I think it went to Limbo Land, along with Mon Mothma and everyone else...

 

Just for the files, there were three SSDs in the Black Fleet, so togehter with Aggressor there are three SSDs we have no clue about their fate.

 

We're still not sure if the other two unnamed SSDs in the Black Fleet were ever built. They were supposed to have been built, but the Rebel advance or the Yevethan takeover may have halted their construction.

 

Are there any Sovereign-class left sitting around? I've been reading differing reports as the the exact fate of the ships. All say four were built/under constuction/commissioned, but perhaps only the Sovereign itself was in a final form. The Jedi Academy Sourcebook stats all four were destroyed by the Suncrusher incidents, but other sources say the Sovereign-class were captured or destroyed by New Republic forces. So the question is, did they actually capture at least one of these ships, and if so, was it ever used or was it simply scrapped?

 

All I know is that Sovereign was the only ship actually under construction. Since it took about six years to finish the Eclipse, I think that Sovereign's design was probably changed during construction to turn it into Eclipse II. That, or we believe Palpatine either had a second, totally different flagship ready to go or constructed Eclipse II in a few months.

 

Im telling you all, just like everyone else, they went to limbo land...

 

They were probably all scrapped. From what I've read in Ambush at Corellia, however, it seems that the entire military was undergoing a shrinking process. But by the NJO the NR had things like Mediator-class Battle Cruisers, Viscount-class Star Defenders, Republic-class Star Destroyers, and Nebula-class Star Destroyers, not to mention things like MC90 Star Cruisers Bothan Assault Cruisers.

And this was before the Vong invasion and during the Rhommammool-Osarian crisis. But that doesn't make sense: all these new ships for something that a single MC90 could easily handle? Could it be that some people in the NR had the feeling that someone like the Vong would invade?

 

Well I did read the Bothan Cruisers where intimedating because people thought it showed a Bothan supperiority over the Galaxy.

 

Oh, look guys, it's an intimidating Bothan cruiser! If I'm driving a Vong command cruiser I'm gonna be terrified. An SSD can waste entire FLEETS. 1200 turbolaser batteries, 1200 turbolaser cannons, 1200 ion cannons, 1200 concussion missile launchers, hundreds or thousands of fighters, two corps of troops, the works! Plus the NR SSDs were more than military weapons. When Lusankya was refitted, a huge medical quarantine section was installed in the bow to aid in fighting disease outbreaks or bioterrorism. And, if SSDs are too expensive, why launch a massive building program for Star Defenders and Mediator cruisers? The Star Defender has as much punch and is almost as big as the WEG SSD (6,250 meters). No known stats for a Mediator, but if it is slightly larger than half the size of a Viscount it's about twice the length and a couple times the firepower of an ISD.

 

Are those Star Defender stats from an official source, or just guesstimates from the SWRPG network...

 

A SSD has close in flaws, it has trouble with massed Starfighter attacks, But these things can be dealt with. Place Ranger class Gunships around them to keep fighters at bay.

Lancer class cruisers would be prefect for this war. Have them escort large ships like SSD and watch the Coral skippers burn!

 

A Lot of Named Super Star Destroyers:

• Aggressor, Super-class Star Destroyer - Commanded by Admiral Roek. Fate Unknown.
• Allegience, Allegience-class Super Star Destroyer - Imperial Flagship at Battle of Calamari. Destroyed.
• Autarch, Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer - Under construction at Emperor Reborn's death. Fate Unknown.
• The Brawl (Iron Fist), Super-class Star Destroyer - Commanded by Admiral Zinsj. Became the Iron Fist. Destroyed.
• Despot, Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer - Under Construction at Emperor Reborn's death. Fate Unknown.
• Eclipse, Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer - Emperor Reborn's flagship. Destroyed.
• Eclipse II, Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer - Emperor Reborn's flagship. Destroyed.
• Executer, Super-class Star Destroyer - Darth vader's flagship. Destroyed.
• Executer (Lusankya), Super-class Star Destroyer - Emperor's private escape shuttle. Renamed Lusankya after/during construction. Captured by New Republic. Ordered to be scrapped. Actual Fate Unknown.
• Guardian, Super-class Star Destroyer - Flagship of Admiral Drommel. Captured by New Republic. Fate Unknown.
• Hessiarch, Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer - Under Construction at Emperor Reborn's death. Fate Unknown.
• Intimidator, Super-class Star Destroyer - Flagship of Commander Paret. Captured by Yevethans and became Pride of Yevetha. Fate Unknown.
• Knight Hammer, Super-class Star Destroyer - Admiral Daala's flagship. Destroyed.
• Razor's Kiss, Super-class Star Destroyer - Admiral Zinsj's second SSD. Final Super-class Star Destroyer constructed after Emperor's destruction on DS2. Destroyed.
• Reaper, Super-class Star Destroyer - Grand Moff Ardus Kaine's flagship. Destroyed.
• Shockwave, "Super Star Destroyer (modified Imperial-class?)( ? ) - Harrsk's flagship. Destroyed.
• Sovereign, Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer - Under Construction at Emperor Reborn's death. Fate Unknown.[/i]
• Terror, Super-class Star Destroyer - Admiral Sarn's flagship. Destroyed.
• Vengeance, Super-class Star Destroyer - Jerec's flagship. Destroyed.

In addition to the named Super Star Destroyers I can think of, there's a whole lot more unnamed ones floating about. It's been alluded that there was a whole freaking lot of SSD's at Byss that were possibly destroyed.

 

The Intimidator's fate is, in fact, known. It was found drifting near the Unknown Regions, damaged beyond repair.

 

Lusankya had something going for it that would have kept it off any scrapping list. Not only was it a dedicated warship, it was also a dedicated science research center.

 

The Terror - wasn't that the ship in Rebel Assault 2 ? If not, then you might have missed that one.

I was reading Timetales, and at one point, after Executor/Lusankya (sp) had been completed there was an announcement made by the Emperor that 4 more SSDs were being built and should be ready for about the time of the Battle of Endor. Can anyone say which those 4 were ? i know that Razor's Kiss wasn't, since KDY was producing it independently, at least i think.

 

In what novel(s) does the battle with the
Yevetha happen/begin?

 

Black Fleet Crisis - Yevetha are doing some espionage/inflamation during the first two, then make the mistake of kidnapping Han and Leia declares war in the third.

 

The Four Sovereigns were under contruction in the core regions at the time of Endor. All four were destroyed by rebels or other cause before being completed. Any subsequent ones put into production by the reborn Palapatine were destroyed as well, therefore, there were no soveriegns after the jedi academy trilogy.

SSDS: the new Republic's policy was to scrap these ships, but because of Thrawn, and in the subsequent fight against the reborn Emperor, the NR was wise enough to use every weapon at its command. We can assume most were subsequently decomissioned when the military shrank circa Black Fleet Crisis- Corellian Trilogy. In the NJO, te NR has brand new calamari/corellian ships big and powerful enough to be SSD class.

And remember, Home One and some other Calamari warships (Mon Remonda?) were already 3-4 km long at the time of Endor. The NR has its own resources, and doesn't have to rely on rare Imperial designs.

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