Surviving Super Star Destroyers

Was Jerec's Vengeance destroyed in the Jedi Knight game, or was it mentioned destroyed in another source?

 

DaJames...
"The Terror - wasn't that the ship in Rebel Assault 2 ? If not, then you might have missed that one."

I had it - it's squeezed in after the Sovereign and the Vengeance. But, the code went screwy. It's there.

Speaking of the Vengeance, I had thought it was destroyed somewhere, but now that you bring it up, I don't remember exactly. ? I'll have to replay JK again.

Bib,
I put the Intimidator's final fate as unknown because while it is supposedly "beyond repair," it hasn't been destroyed. IMO, given someone with enough spunk, they can do something with it. I mean at least the shell can be retrofitted, etc. It doesn't have to be repaired - it can be gutted, replace the hardware all new and basically make an Intimidator Reborn out of it.

 

Wonder if you were thinking of the Arc Hammer from the first Dark Forces, that was manufacturing the Dark Troopers and was destroyed in that game...

 

Maybe you're thinking of the one from BoP Genghis.

 

I don't know if Intimidator is fixable, but if the main hull is still largely intact it wouldn't take much to convert it into a space station.

I put this post down 'cuz I'm real big on SW ships and technology, and the SSD was like the supercarrier or the superbattleship of the Empire. I'd just get a kick out of seeing a passage like this in the NJO:

Tsavong Lah's face split into a grin as the Yuuzhan Vong fleet sighted the infidel convoy. Refugees and soldiers, fleeing the fall of Coruscant, defended by nothing more than a small group of small cruisers and frigates.
Then space itself seemed to part before the Vong armada, dozens of infidel Star Destroyers and heavy cruisers streaking at the armada. Lah's flagship fell into shadow, and the last thing he saw before scarlet sheets of fire obliterated him was a wall of metal kilometers longer than his command cruiser, broken only by a gaping hangar half the length of his ship spewing starfighters by the thousands. . .

And if an SSD is vulnerable to fighter attack, well, the NR could try refitting the missile tubes to launch those diamond-boron missiles from Shadows of the Empire. You'd have an eleven-mile long Aegis cruiser. You wouldn't NEED fighter escort. Everything within several kilometers would get vaped.

 

The diamond boron missile from SoTE is too expensive to use in large numbers, as each missile costs 20,000 credits.

 

Yea, 20k a piece. The NR is not rich, and I hope that there is going to be some Sd or SSd action, becuase I like the old school imperial star destroyers

 

Hmm.. I know the 'Essential Chronology' lists off a lot of SSDs (not totally sure if it's *all* of them, but it seems to be a complete list), and tells what happened to them all. I used to know the complete list off the top of my head (something around 14 SSDs), but I'd need to re-check some of my sources.

 

The Shockwave was an upgraded version of the ISD, it was by no means an SSD.

The Mon Remonda is only 1.2 km long, same as the MC80 and MC80a. And the MC90 isn't that much bigger either, only 1.2055 km long, although it's much more heavily armed and armored.

The Home One, which is supposedly an "MC85", is of disputed length. Some sources say 2.8 km, others 3.5 km.

 

The answer to how to deal with starfighter vulnerability lies in ESB. What were all those SDs doing around Vader's Executor if not to provide cover and protection?

Much in the way a US carrier group consists of at least 6-7 capital ships plus support vessels to protect the carrier.

It then does not matter how vulnerable an SSD is to starfighter attack: 12 SDs providing defence, plus numerous TIE squadrons generally ensures said attack is suicide.

In Dark Tide Pellaeon brought a sector group to Ithor, which happened to be 12SDs, maybe the Fleet was constructed with SSDs in mind as command ships, but only a few got made.

Jedi Ben

p.s. It's unlikely we'll see SSDs in NJO yet, we haven't even seen the Star Defender from VP in action.

 

A fleet of SSDs and Star Defenders, now that's some serious carnage.

 

The number of escorting Stardestroyers depends on the Class of SSD.

Executor-Class has normaly five (although TESB-Cardgame and the escorts of the "Guardian" suggest three ISDs), while Jerecs Vengeance had three. Palpatines "Eclipse" had also three SDs, but those were of the Allegiance-Class.

Shockwave: I somehow doubt, that an ISD, however upgraded, is capable to destroy an VSD with a single broadside (see Darksaber). It is also described as one of the bigger Stardestroyer-Versions. Shockwave is at least Allegiance-Class, if not bigger.

 

Shockwave is an Allegiance, because Daala is not surprised at the ship's size, yet drops her jaw when she sees the Night Hammer.

 

If we see the Shockwave only in comparison to the eight kilometer lenght of the Night Hammer, it can be any class of ship shorter than eight kilometers. And if Pellaeon screwed up with the lenght... .

 

"I put the Intimidator's final fate as unknown because while it is supposedly "beyond repair," it hasn't been destroyed. IMO, given someone with enough spunk, they can do something with it. I mean at least the shell can be retrofitted, etc. It doesn't have to be repaired - it can be gutted, replace the hardware all new and basically make an Intimidator Reborn out of it."

Heck, even if they just get lights, heat and gravity it would be a pretty good base of operations for smugglers, or a safe haven for the Jedi in the NJO

 

Well, the Shockwave had much heavier weapons, so the ship must have been larger in order to fit the bigger power generators. But I don't think it got up to the size of an Allegiance-class. And even if it did, it still probably wouldn't be an ASD because the stats (other than size) would be all off.

 

Yes, speaking about refitting SSDs for Jedi havens, was Eclipse Base (in SbS) actually the wreck of of one of the Eclipses ? If not, does anyone know what it was ?

 

DaJames,
Hopefully the (a) NJO SOurcebook will cover the specifics of things like Eclipse. I was kind of disappointed the thing wasn't explained a bit better.

 

A thing I never understand is the incredibly LOW number of starfighters carried by those ships...

144 for an SSD, 72 for an ISD. For a Bothan Assault Cruiser, 48.

(the England carrier of WWII ''Ark Royal'' carried around 50 planes, about the same size of a Starfighter, but was just about 200 meters long...)

 

Compared to an nuclear-aircraft-carrier, Stardestroyers are not only carriers, but also battleships.

And depending on their tasks more fighter in most cases would be overkill (Why carry thousand fighters if usually hundred do the job?).

 

Well the stats for the SSD;s fighters are based on an 8km length, and even if it was based on the movie length, the SSD's aren't really dedicated carriers, and have plenty of firepower and other escort ships that it doesn't need thousands of it's own fighters. As to why there are small numbers of fighters in general, those starships require alot of space for engines, weapons, crew quarters and all the other systems for a starship, and can't devote most of its space for fighters, the same way Earth aircraft carriers can.

The two Eclipse's were pretty much both vaporized, the first one in the Cloned Emperor's Force storm, and the second in the destruction of Byss. I doubt there was enough wreckage to salvage anything useful from either ship...

 

In Rebirth, they mention something about Kam Solusar finding a planet in the Deep Core for the Jedi to hide.

An SSD probably packed thousands of fighters - the hangar's big enough to drydock a couple dozen Dreadnaughts.

 

Actually, I think I remember reading somewhere that a SSD could carry a gross lot of fighters, in other words, 144 TIEs.

 

SSD carry only 144 ties, in fact.
For a 8000 meters ships, it's not many.
(especially if we consider that the Imperials have been plagued from the start with starfighters attacks...)
If a quad turret is small enough to be placed into a small freighter in two emplacements, why the Empire never tried to install such weapon on it's capital ship ?
(don't tell me that they did not have room, with 1600 meters longs ISD, to fit a couple of turrets not significactivly bigger than a human...)