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Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Darth_Malt, Feb 11, 2003.

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  1. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    If you notice in all the Star Wars films, there is always some bottomless pit in them. Does Lucas have a bottomless pit fetish? Here, take a look at my examples.

    The Phantom Menace
    When after Qui-Gon is dead, Obi-Wan and Maul battle it out next to a huge never ending hole in the ground. Obi-Wan even cut Darht Maul in half and he fell down that hole. What a sad and tragic death.

    Attack of the Clones
    In this one, some people say there isn't a hole in the ground. But really, there kind of is. Coursucant!!! It seems like it never ends when you are falling. I know this is pushing it, but really...where does it end???

    Episode III
    A think you and me both know that Lucas is going to add some kind of hole in this one. Even if it is a Volcano top, an endless pit, or whatever. But we know it is going to happen.

    A New Hope
    Luke and Leia actually swing over a large hole in the Death Star. You never see where it ends, but they do make it across.

    The Empire Strikes Back
    The ironic thing about this hole is that Luke actually falls in it. You remember, it was in Cloud City. Luke never reached the bottom, he just sort of landed toward the side and went in a hollow shaft. Lucas really wanted to give us a little hint at what's toward the bottom of his holes...

    Return of the Jedi
    When Lucas was younger and he still had a sex drive, because he really did go all out with this one. He gave us TWO, yes TWO holes. First, the Sarlacc pit, it takes what?, 10,000 years to digest??? That is a very very long time. And next, by the end of the film, Lucas was really turned on...
    He used a very large hole for Palpatine to fall into and be destroyed. I think you remember it.

    So with all these holes in the Star Wars films, what do you think about this??? I would kind of like to know where Lucas got his Hole fetish from and what made him decided to put one in every film....
    Let the discussion begin.....

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  2. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A big pit of some kid is just a standard dramatic danger tool. There's no need to go Freud on the guy :)
     
  3. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I know but MAAAAAAAN does he love them.
     
  4. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Master star 5

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    The "pit motif" is symbolism for a void / no hope. The shaft from the Emperors throne room, the sarlic pit... all motifs.

    What GL does have is an obsessive compulsive disorder. (No offence, we all have our vices) He is attempting to redo the Original Trilogy "OT" for the DVDs. He needs to let go of the revamping. That is his fetish.
     
  5. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Sometimes a pit is just a pit
     
  6. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    That was good JEDIKNIGHTOB1 but I think you know that Lucas does have a hole fetish.



    We need to give these holes a name. I know what to call them...

    [Dr_Evil_Laugh]Plot Holes!!! [/Dr_Evil_Laugh]
     
  7. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Master star 5

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    I could not agree with you more Darth Malt.

    Major Plot Holes!!!

    I have a revelation that I will send you very soon.

    I have some ideas that will fill those plot holes. If you could, click on my name and then look at my posted sites. Look for the one titled Anakin "Baptism by Fire" I have a theory of how Anakin gets so burned up... and No it is not a volcano.

    Just check it out and reply to that post.

    I also have the other thread that I will post later this evening. If you like the Anakin "Baptism by Fire" you will love my new thread.

    Just be patient and clear your mind.
     
  8. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It is the vagina dentata, like Scylla and Charybdis in "The Odyssey."

    Darth Malt, I think you'd like my post on why the Execution Arena sequence in AOTC is a symbolic sex-scene. Unfortunately, it gets deleted no matter how much I dumb it down.
     
  9. DarthAttorney

    DarthAttorney Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Can you explain the "Scylla and Charybdis" for everyone who doesn't know that myth, Emos-Edud?

    I can see the Sarlaac Pit (obviously) as an example but the RotJ reactor shaft? The Death Star swing in ANH?

    ?[face_plain]
     
  10. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    This board is pretty funny.
     
  11. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Scylla and Charybdis are a pair of obstacles that Odysseus must contend with on his return home from the Trojan War.

    If I remember correctly Scylla was a hydra (9-headed dragon) and Charybdis was a whirl-pool. I think Scylla stood on a rock at the center or the edge of Charybdis and wait for boats that would get pulled into the unescapable tide.

    What is the vagina dentata? Well, it is a representation of a male fear of castrative powers of the female. It quite literally means "toothed vagina." Scary stuff. So in this example, Scylla is the teeth and Charybdis is the, well, you know.

    Anyhow, "The Odyssey" features a number of inescapable females. Odysseus wakes up with a some insatiable nymph Calypso (or was she a goddess?) and at one point has to pilot his crew past the Sirens (women whose songs lure men to their deaths). All these temptations must be avoided so that he can get back home to his loving wife.

    Anyway, I think that there are a few examples of the vagina dentata in The Saga. The Sarlacc Pit being the most obvious.

    Or, I could just be a degenerate. Have it your way.
     
  12. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    The Emperor being thrown into the DS shaft is erronious to the rest of the OT motive. It is a symbol much like Satan being thrown into the Pit for a 1,000 years in Revelations.

    In the rest of the OT, being swollowed by the DS, the Falcon and the space slug, the Sarlac pit, all have the motive of being consumed.

    In the PT so far, and I assume it will continue in EPIII, is the idea of falling; Maul into the air shaft, Anakin and Obi Wan on Coruscant, Anakin into the Tusken camp, and of course the fall from grace of Anakin to come in EPIII.
     
  13. DamonD

    DamonD Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I always thought the idea of a whirlpool monster (Charybdis) was very cool when I learnt some Greek myths back at school, about 14 years ago. But I never cared much for Scylla.

    Uhh, I guess that's rather more psychologically revealing about myself... ;)
     
  14. k3po

    k3po Jedi Knight star 6

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    We saw Chewies hairy arm pit in ANH.
     
  15. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ^^^Very funny.
     
  16. NiktosRule

    NiktosRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The answer to this question is simple: Everybody loves bottomless pits.
     
  17. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I wonder what you would find at the bottom of the bottomless pits....Falled lightsabres??
     
  18. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    You'd find severed limbs and halved sabres.

    "Your sabre is your life, Anakin"

    The droid factory, while not a bottomless pit, does function in a similar way to the Sarlacc. It is a womb of sorts that traps the hero. Then his sabre is cut in half. Ouch.
     
  19. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Maybe we should dive deep into the world of bottomless pits. I think Lucas should write a book.
     
  20. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well, I don't know about you guys, but I intend to celebrate Valentine's Day to the fullest, whatever dangers may lie ahead.
     
  21. Darth_Malt

    Darth_Malt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I hope you didn't fall into any bottomless pits.
     
  22. Emos-Edud

    Emos-Edud Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I did, but I'm okay.
     
  23. SPACEMONKEY20

    SPACEMONKEY20 Jedi Master star 5

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    It would seem that OSHA doesn't exist in the SW Universe. Just think of all the work related injuries due to all these incredibly deep holes.
     
  24. PaplooTheory

    PaplooTheory Jedi Master star 5

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    Bottomless pits kick ass... simple as that. Seriously, it is so fun to watch a writhing body as it falls thousands of feet. Thats why the Coruscant chase is one of my all time favorite SW moments. Something about watching the sheer size of the drop makes it seem very very cool.

    The more, the better I say.
     
  25. robot120

    robot120 Jedi Master star 2

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    The conviently placed bottomless pit in Star Wars is the equivalent to the conviently placed open window in Twilight Zone. 90% of Twilight Zone episodes have people falling out open windows to their deaths.
     
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