ST SW Saga Film Traditions Not Followed In The Last Jedi

Broom Boy looks out across the stars in a way that is sort of like how episode 2 and 5 end but in 2 and 5 it was 2 people looking out into the distance/the future. And to be honest it more an allusion to the binary sunset.

 

Hasn't EVERY SW movie followed the same formula, with rehashed story ideas, re-used lines/quotes etc....and don't get me started on the big round planet destroying machines that have shown up in how many SW movies???????

 

Two people can both have all the same ingredients but that still doesn’t mean both will bake the perfect cake.

 

There have been exactly two SW movies that haven't featured either a) a death star or b) a large space battle against a spherical space station.

TESB and TLJ

 

The primary protagonists in the OT and PT (Luke and Anakin, respectively) have inner battles with themselves. While Rey has a little of this, the primary inner struggle belongs to Kylo.

I am kind of enjoying the inversion.

 

Since this is the middle chapter of the trilogy, nobody lost an appendage, although you could make the case for Snoke's bisection.

 

Being an enjoyable film first and foremost. TLJ if nothing else is the most boring Star Wars film.

 

Can we keep this thread on topic please? It's supposed to be a discussion about traditional SW story elements missing from TLJ, not elements you feel were "copy & pasted" from the OT. If you want to vent your hatred of TLJ, I believe there is already a thread for that.

Thanks.


Anyway, good call on those who said the Wilhelm scream. I do not remember hearing it in the movie.

 

BB-8 says "I have a bad feeling about this" and Leia agrees with him. Its scripted, but i thought it was lame since it wasn't remotely obvious.

 

I'm not positive on this since I've only see the movie once. But I think this is the first SW film where no one is killed by blaster fire, of the hand held variety. There's a few stun shots, rose's shot that deflects off phasma, and a few FO troopers shooting at BB8 in the walker, but that's about it I think.

It's also the first SW film with a "false" ending. You think it's gonna end with the falcon shot when the music swells, but then there's the extra scene with the broom boy.

In terms of trilogy "symmetry", it's the first time the 2nd film in a trilogy didn't have a love theme written by Williams.

 

Here's a video listing a lot of easter eggs and call backs in TLJ

 

Did TFA have the bad feeling line? Also, twice now no amputations, unless it happens penned to a PG. Oh, and Snoke’s left hand.

 

Lets clarify. In the E1-6 there are two Deathstars. If were talking 'themes' im not including R1 or the ST for this response.

In E1-6 Luke and Anakin are shadows of each other so some of the main story lines needed to be similar to echo each other so as to portray the different forks they took along the same path. This is an over arcing plot devise to show the difference in decisions made by Anakin vs the ones made by Luke. Anakin primarily made selfish choices whereas Lukes were not. Even the right hand getting cut off is a symbolic connection between Anakin and Luke. When others lose their right hand this is a call to the audience that "hey, this is important". And it was. At the end of RotJ Luke cutting off Vaders right hand is that moment that stopped him from being seduced by the darkside and even turned Vader to the light.

There are so many themes like this. For example, like all the opening ships in the PT were Republic ships and Anakin turned evil, whereas all the OT opening ships were the Empire and Luke remained good.

There is a "point" to this and its more than just doing things for the sake of doing things.

Its hard to figure out what the ST is doing because were still missing a whole movie but right now, there seems to be no rhyme or reason and they may just be abandoning these things in an attempt to limit the "lucas effect" on Star Wars.

 

Not sure those are actual typos or due to some kind of auto-correct function, but I love it.

 

If we can't hear the line, it doesn't count. It doesn't matter to me and didn't affect my enjoyment of the film but having a robot beep-boop the line or an alien say it in a language we don't understand is not the same thing as having a character speak "I have a bad feeling about this." It's too clever by half.

 

Technically, Snoke does get his hand cut off when he gets bisected. You can see his left hand still sitting on the armrest of the throne.

This made me very happy.

 

Hmm, I think the Wilhelm scream has been placed inside the sound effect of when Kylo slashes with his lightsaber at Luke in their fight.

 

Han says it when he hears the sound of the Rathtars being released by Rey:

 

I find it interesting I was so into the movie that none of the little touches I always thought were so very important were scarcely missed at all at least by me.

 

how do you know? Did you do a poll or something?

 

JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson both broke the tradition of closing on an operatic group shot of our heroes as the music swells. JJ elected for the helicopter spinning shot of Luke and Rey was okay (would have preferred a more objective, stable shot), but Rian's decision to close on the face of a complete nobody (who is a hokey, self-aware, reflection of the audience) was just ridiculous and lazy AND a break with sacred tradition.

 

The most glaring tradition they flushed was competent storytelling

 

This.

It’s self-aware of how much we all know Star Wars and then sets the table in order to better then use our expectations against us and pull the rug out from all of us who know it well and also new fans.

One of the reasons the father twist worked so great on audiences in Empire was because audiences are so accustomed to revenge myth tropes and thought they’d been watching a movie where the hero would eventually meet the man who killed his father and avenge him.

 

The first movie where the Jedi Master refuses to do his duty outright (and until the end of the movie).
Also the first one where a Jedi contemplates killing someone in their sleep (to the point of igniting the lightsaber).

 

The only thing in this film I would argue was a "Rehash" was the throne room scene.
I confess to nearly face palming when I heard them quote ROTJ nearly word for word.

But it's a miner complaint in the long run. Beyond that, I don't see TLJ as a rehash of the OT any more than AOTC was.
To me there is a very clear difference between mirroring and a rehash.

BB8 definitely said "I have a bad feeling about this", and it even makes sense in the context of the scene (Leia concurring with him immediately afterwards. Perhaps it could have been more obvious but I don't mind.)

The lack of star destroyers in the beginning didn't bug me as indicated in the OP this is hardly the only film to lack that opening.

The lack of lightsaber dual was disappointing, but it shifted the mold I suppose. And the 'vision fight' was clearly a stand in for the traditional dual.

And I honestly don't pay attention to which way the camera pans.