@Darth_Nub - you are absolutely right, this has gone wayward, it has been side-tracked. There were two points I was making really. One is that, because of the conceptual nature of the OT they work better as films than do their PT counterparts. What I mean by that is ideas like 'The Empire', 'The Republic', 'The rebels', 'Jedi' are just that; ideas attached to those terms. Those ideas are fleshed out through the actions of the characters - the backdrop of the story is, in a way, created by the characters and their actions. In the PT these ideas are 'made real' and are the 'flesh' within which the characters must act. The story is constantly bogged down by telling the stories of these newly minted entities - and in this version the characters become cyphers of those entities. But it goes a little further. Because we are told that these three new movies are part of a saga with the old ones then - in order to view it that way what those terms represented become burdened by their PT 'precursors'. The ideas that they represent in OT isolation are weighed down by the solidity of their PT counterparts. This goes as far as 'The Emperor' who operates in the OT as a kind of demonic figurative (Mara, Satan/Shaitan, Ahriman) 'Darth Vader' (the suit, the name) is a representation of the imprisonment of the soul by the Mara/Satan/Ahriman figure - and so the battle in the throne room (in the claustrophobic confines of the Throne Room) is a personal battle and Luke's father frees himself from his prison by throwing down Mara/satan/Ahriman. Down into the underworld. He breathes his last few breaths as a human, sees the world again through human eyes. The whole of the end of ROTJ is so full of symbolism, of subtle, unconscious cues that it manages to transcend the basis of the film as essentially a re-hash of the ANH plot - even overcoming the Ewoks What's more the message it tells transcends the normative 'Campbellian' heroic notions. While looking for the 'benign despot' quote I came across this http://www.salon.com/1999/06/15/brin_main/ An interesting read and pretty much follows my own thinking..except - I don't believe that, prior to TPM, the story of Star Wars was about genetic elites and all powerful super-heroes deciding the fate of the universe (thought that idea seems to have been picked up and run with by a great deal of the earlier EU). In ROTJ Luke faces Vader in the confines of the Throne Room, and this mirrors his TESB confrontation with Vader in the Cave on Dagobah. The cave represents the skull - and the Throne Room becomes a mirror of the cave except...this time Luke gets it. The battle in the Throne Room is a personal battle. The significance of this is imparted through Luke throwing down his lightsabre. He accepts a number of things here. The most important is that to do Jedi is not about the power. Luke accepts that he is not all powerful and concedes that he cannot alter the battle outside. He understands that the danger is from Satan/Ahriman/Mara and his insidious goading ("Do not underestimate the power of the Emperor") - in fact the Emperor's goading throughout might as well be seen as a voice within Luke's head (the Throne Room/cave) Once you give Palpatine a back-story that representative element of the concept 'The Emperor' no longer functions. Once you create Luke's father as a deistic super-being who is prophecised to save the galaxy then the differentiation of the Throne Room and the battle outside is lost. What was the story Lucas said he wanted to tell through his saga, and particularly the PT. Well, he said he wanted to show how a good man can become evil. I think he failed on that count (not least because I don't think people transmute instantly into green eyed monsters, nor do I think that people make such a singular choice ) but also because he does not give us a man. I don't mean by that that Anakin is a boy, I mean that he gives us a deistic super-hero. He also said he wanted to show how a democracy becomes an Empire. Well... I have reason to suspect that Lucas doesn't trust democracy and so reason to doubt he is the best person to tell that story - and I think that shows. Oh...and, whether you agree with me or not..Merry Christmas. May peace be and remain upon us all.