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Lit Tales of the Jedi continuity

Discussion in 'Literature' started by darklordoftech, Nov 17, 2012.

  1. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    I can't help but wonder what happens in between "Fall of the Sith Empire" and "Ulic Qel-Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderon". There's lots of continuity problems during those thousand years.
     
  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Such as?
     
  3. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Ragnos ruling during the genocide against the Sith.
     
  4. thesevegetables

    thesevegetables Jedi Knight star 4

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    Tales of the Jedi must be taken with a grain of salt as it may or may not be canon.
     
  5. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Source?
     
  6. thesevegetables

    thesevegetables Jedi Knight star 4

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    Wookieepedia. Tales is ambiguously canon. Some is, some isn't, some is wishy-washy.
     
  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Clarify? Ragnos died before Tales of the Jedi- indeed it's his funeral that's in the chronologically earliest of those comic books, Golden Age of the Sith.

    No- that's Star Wars Tales.
     
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  8. _Catherine_

    _Catherine_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Probably means the guy Exar Kun and Ulic met when the Sith amulets sent them back in time or whatever. His hat looked kind of like Marka Ragnos's hat so later source material identified him as Marka Ragnos, despite the chronology being wrong.
     
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  9. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Edit: The above post says what I meant.
     
  10. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    There's no problem with that guy being the ghost of Ragnos. Or, as said, him "reaching forward in time" to anoint Kun & Ulric.
     
  11. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    Yeah, besides that the earlier chronological work was written after the later, that's not hard to fix - GAotS had Ragnos warning of disaster from the grave, wouldn't put it past him to have an ultimate revenge plan based on Force visions of what would happen - or, put it another way, the dark side told him the Sith would be royally screwed over so the best response? Revenge... Served very, very, millennia-cold!
     
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  12. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    But he didn't seem sure that disaster was coming in GAOTS.
     
  13. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 7

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    See Catherine's post - a large part of enjoying the EU is engaging in creative fixes for this sort of thing.
     
  14. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Force Ghost star 6

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    Let's not forget that Naga Sadow transferred his essence into a human and experienced complete amnesia in the process that led him to believe he was the exact opposite of what he had previously been. :p
    Yeah.

    After TOR, it also fits with Vitiate's fear of lingering Sith spirits and desire to eradicate their remnants. (I actually have grown fond of the idea Ragnos's spirit was jointly tied to Kun's amulet, as we know it was stashed safely with his Scepter somewhere.)
     
  15. Shira_French_Cheese

    Shira_French_Cheese Jedi Knight star 1

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    Is that a real retcon? [face_plain]
     
  16. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's a reference to how Naga Sadow's original appearance in Dark Lords of the Sith is completely different to how he's portrayed in the TOTJ prequels.
     
  17. Shira_French_Cheese

    Shira_French_Cheese Jedi Knight star 1

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    Yeah, I know. That's why I asked. :p I guess not then.
     
  18. Zorrixor

    Zorrixor Force Ghost star 6

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    Still's in the book. :p

    In all seriousness though, while I was joking earlier today, I've just realised that I actually would like the erroneous "human" appearance to be made official, with it being retconned as a figure who Sadow's spirit manipulated and took possession of (like Eison Gynt), and that the "story" on Vodo's holocron was was wrong because the Jedi had mistakenly believed the human was the "real" Naga Sadow, rather than merely a tool, and had thus recorded completely the wrong history.
     
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  19. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Just because the artist gave Sadow caucasian skin instead of red skin? How do we know that humans are the only species with caucasian skin? Still, I enjoy your retcon.
     
  20. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Since starting this thread, I've realized that the audio dramas fix alot of these issues. I wonder if they're canon.
     
  21. _Catherine_

    _Catherine_ Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He doesn't have the face tendrils either, and he's said to be like a rogue magician exiled by the Dark Lord of the Sith, rather than being the Dark Lord himself. They might have kind of tried to fix that by having Ludo Kressh become the Dark Lord for like five seconds, but mostly I think they just had the same attitude when they were writing their prequels that Lucas had when writing his.

    Why wouldn't they be?
     
  22. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Thank you. Things like that are why I started this thread.
    I wasn't sure how canon adaptations are.
     
  23. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Force Ghost star 8

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    Radio plays sometimes have lines that are different from those in the movie, or in these cases, comic.
     
  24. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    True, although my point is that it's possible Gosset simply failed to distinguish the Sith Species from humans. Further info and opinions on this are welcome.
     
  25. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Here's the implied backstory before GAOTS was written: Ragnos rules the galaxy until the Republic overthrows him. During the Republic's war against him, Naga Sadow rebels against him and is sentenced to die. Naga flees to Yavin. Later on, Ragnos trains Nadd but Nadd fails to kill Ragnos and goes to Onderon, where Ragnos won't bug him. Before dying, Ragnos masterminds the rise of Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma.