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ST Technology Advancement in the Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Episode Swag, Sep 5, 2013.

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  1. Episode Swag

    Episode Swag Jedi Knight star 1

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    (First of all, I apologize for the big size of the pictures. I wanted to put them in spoiler tags, but I don't know how. Mod help maybe?)

    Sure this is a galaxy filled with technology far ahead of our time. Yeah they've got laser guns, laser swords, starships capable of traveling faster than light, you name it. But I can't help but notice that if you look close enough, there are noticeable leaps in technology throughout the episodes if you look for them. The most obvious example is that of cyborgs and simple organ/limb replacements. Just take a look at our two favorite Skywalkers for example:

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    They both receive replacements for their lost arms at different points in the saga. Anakin's is a much older model that looks very robotic and inefficient. At least when compared to Luke's new hand, which in of itself is virtually indistinguishable from the natural hand that he was born with.

    Another comparison with cyborg technology could be seen with Grievous and Vader. Grievous, (while yes he was more gravely wounded than Vader arguably before his transformation) looks about 99% droid. Vader on the other hand has a clearly more organic look to him (at least in how he moves) when compared to Grievous. Heck, the Vader suit does a much better job at hiding the more robotic features of the man within than Grievous' exoskeleton does.

    By the way things are going right now, it wouldn't be surprising if people are capable of making full on android-like cyborgs in the ST. Kind of like the character Data from Star Trek, or hell, the Borg. Plastic surgery has never been better (lol!)

    Another thing to look at is the transformation of star ships in the series. I'm more talking about the fighters than the main line cruisers. In Episode 1, all the fighters we see are constructed with smooth angles and such. But in Episode 3 and beyond, the star fighters begin to take on a much more angular shape as opposed to their circularly predecessors. Perhaps in Episode 7 this trend will also continue?

    Now I think perhaps that patterns could be found in what we have seen already. Patterns that we may be able to use to predict certain new things that we may see in the newer episodes. These were the few examples that I could think of at the moment, but hey there has to be more out there. What do you guys think?
     
  2. MillenniumFalcon2015

    MillenniumFalcon2015 Jedi Master star 3

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    It would be awesome to see the beginning of intergalactic travel. Starships with much faster speeds travelling to neighbouring galaxies encountering new worlds,new enemies and new allies. If not in the ST then episodes X-XII or any SW films set 1000 years after the ST.
     
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  3. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Force Ghost star 4

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    With regard to the ship designs, I believe the smoother designs in EPI are just the Naboo style, nothing more. And the the only other ships we see are the Trade Federations. These don't really seem to be precursors for any of the OT ships.
    However, jump ahead to EPII and we start seeing the intitial stages of walkers and the startup of the Imperial Star Destroyer. When we reach EPIII, the new design of the Jedi Starfighter is a clear precursor to the TIE Fighters (more so DV TIE fighter) and the ARC-170 is the precursor to the X-Wing. The EPII Jedi Starfighter could be a precursor to the A-Wing? I'm not sure though. And we've seen a full evolution of TIE's in EPV and EPVI where we are introduced to TIE bombers and TIE Interceptors respectively.

    I'm not sure how they could evolve these ships any further than has already been shown. I think we may have a couple of nods to previous ships, but other than that I think there will be just newer ships based on newer designs.
     
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  4. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    There are quite a lot of already existing TIE designs that are rather interesting. Not saying that they should just copy paste some of those, but just pointing out there are ways to evolve the TIE design further. I know they're basically the same cockpit with different wing variations, but I think that even such a relatively small change leaves quite a different impression.

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    ...and the lesser known TIE Frank.
     
  5. StoneRiver

    StoneRiver Force Ghost star 4

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    The Hellhammer : Yeah, I thought about those after I'd finished, but they're all EU and computer game evolutions aren't they? I suppose they could be in the films, but I don't think we'll see them TBH.

    Although I think you've inadvertently discovered our new baddie :p
     
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  6. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Haha, yeah, TIE Frank being the baddie is where my money's at :p

    Nah, I don't think we'll see any of those particular designs. As I said, it's just to illustrate that even with the slightest of changes a decent evolution of an iconic design can be made. Especially since I think the reverse of the PT logic for technology should be used this time around - instead of in the last movie, we get familiar stuff and slight evolutions in the first one. In the second stuff begins to take a shape of it's own, while the third brings in completely new things.
     
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  7. EHT

    EHT Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Episode Swag : The pictures look fine to me as they are.
     
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  8. Echo-07

    Echo-07 Jedi Master star 4

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    Honestly, GL has always said that the technology is as advanced as it can be since faster than light speed -- "hyperspace" -- has been achieved.

    I wouldn't mind seeing variations on things we've already seen, ships weapons etc... but I can't think of any new technology right off the top of my head that would help the plot, except maybe for red matter. Hmmmm . . .
     
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  9. Grand_Moff_Jawa

    Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The only thing I'd like to avoid is virtual screens floating in the air. There's something very fake looking about an actor pushing phantom buttons in the air. Iron Man is a good example of what I'm talking about. Lots of virtual stuff all over. I want physical stuff!
     
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  10. Tan-Wessel

    Tan-Wessel Force Ghost star 4

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    Obi-Wan, the starmap data ball, Yoda and the Younglings.
     
  11. Echo-07

    Echo-07 Jedi Master star 4

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    Agreed! I want practical FX!

    Disagree. I thought that scene was bee-U-tiful! It worked really well.
     
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  12. Grand_Moff_Jawa

    Grand_Moff_Jawa Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    That was kind of different. I mean actual screens with buttons, etc. See Iron Man for reference.
     
  13. Circular Logic

    Circular Logic Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, there was that one button that could do anything the plot required in the PT:
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    You reckon they'll homage this with more whatever-the-plot-needs buttons? ;)
     
  14. The Hellhammer

    The Hellhammer Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The so-called Plot Device.
     
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  15. Count Yubnub

    Count Yubnub Force Ghost star 5

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    Yes, but the examples are wrong. The button is accidentally used for two different functions in AOTC; the use for a third function in ROTS was intentional, as an in-joke.
     
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  16. Episode Swag

    Episode Swag Jedi Knight star 1

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    Woah seriously? In that case, this means that Lucas must have used certain differences in technology merely as visual metaphors. In a sense, you could say that Vader and Grievous' mechanical looks emphasize their inhumanity. Or rather, it lets the audience know visually that their evil nature is unnatural in a way.

    Because let's face it, the Emperor could have easily replaced Vader's lost limbs and organs with cybernetic replacements that were indistinguishable from the ones Anakin was born with. (That is if we take Lucas' quote literally, then the kind of arm that Luke recieves in Episode 5 was available in Episode 3. Because heck, technology is as best as it'll ever get according to that quote.) So this tells us (or I guess, just me cause I overthink things) even more about the Emperor's intentions in salvaging Vader's crispy remains.

    He gave Vader a suit that was meant to be intimidating, rather than giving him the best body replacements available. He totally could of made him just as he was before, seeing as he had all the power in the universe at the time. But nope, he would rather let his apprentice rot away in a helmet just so he could be a little bit more scary in combat and negotiations.

    Wow Palpatine is a douche.
     
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  17. Echo-07

    Echo-07 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yes, your analysis is correct. That is what Vader meant when he said, "It is too late for me young Skywalker. I am more machine than man."

    Lucas was definitely making a commentary about technology and trans-humanism. We can use machines to replace humanity, IE the Bionic Man. But at what point do we stop to ask if we should?
     
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  18. Episode Swag

    Episode Swag Jedi Knight star 1

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    Ah I see! In that case I think my interpretation about technology and everything was probably off. Lucas was just trying to tell us things visually at a glance then, just like with the red lightsabers are used by bad kinds kind of thing.

    Thanks Echo! Learning nerdy things like this is a big part of why forums are awesome! Still, it's fun to speculate on things.
     
  19. Echo-07

    Echo-07 Jedi Master star 4

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    No, I think you're right in your interpretation. Palps used the technology as a leash on Vader. Kept him reliant on the technology.
     
  20. JediKnightOB1

    JediKnightOB1 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    With all of these so-called advances you would think we would have seen a toilet or two by now.
     
  21. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    It's called a 'fresher', thank you very much...
     
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  22. Lord TW

    Lord TW Jedi Master star 2

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    I thought Vader's hyperbaric chamber WAS a toilet
     
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  23. thebeanpole

    thebeanpole Jedi Knight star 2

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    Last time I checked the poor chap was having trouble using toilets...

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  24. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    NO CAPES!!!
     
  25. Sith-Mullet

    Sith-Mullet Jedi Master star 3

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    I am think I will see anything that will be faster than Hyperspace. However, I do see new lightsaber colors.
     
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