Telika exei plaka na miseis to STAR WARS

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  1. SithLOrd_MAlak Jedi Knight

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    o Luka$ den einai kalos sigrafeas opos ego

    Den thelo na to penefto alla.... :p
  2. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    "Nai re seis! o Luca$ den mas eksigise giati to 351.687.167 plano tou t. E. S. B. den tairiazei me to 5.416.541 plano tou R. o. .t. J., afou sto a N. H., o haraktiras katw deksia sto kendro stin kantina sto Mos Eisly den kapnizei!"

    E, s' afto tha diafwnisw! I continuity einai poly symandiki, mehri tin teleftaia leptomereia twn teleftaiwn leptomereiwn. Pes me kollimeno, alla emena me noiazei an to 351.687.167 plano tou t. E. S. B. den tairiazei me to 5.416.541 plano tou R. o. .t. J., afou sto a N. H., o haraktiras katw deksia sto kendro stin kantina sto Mos Eisly, den kapnizei! :eek: W, nai! An kai, o karagiosis basher pou sholiases, ehei, fysika, adiko, afou katadikazei mia OLOKLIRI TAINIA gia merikes leptomereies!!!
  3. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    Ena exo na po: Meta to PoutS, den tha vlepei kaneis ton Vader san ton super-duper-uber-kewl kako-kakisto-kakistotero-kakistotato eglimatia tou Simpantos... Tha einai aplos enas malakas griniaris, pou ego tha mporousa na ton erminefso kalitera.
    A re Luca$! Mas ta xalases ola KATARAMENE. Ax, kai na kserete poses nixtes eixa meinei ksagripnos kathos fantazomoun ton eafto mou sti thasi tou Vader, na sfazo olous osous me eixan adikisei. Enas giati pidaei ti gomena ton oneiron mou, enas allos giati athleitai, anas kapoios allos giati exei zoi... A VRE LUCA$ KATARAMENE!!!! POTE THA PSOFISEIS, NA MI VIAZEIS ALLO TO DIMIOURGIMA MOU?
  4. SithLOrd_REvan Jedi Knight

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    Endaxei re paidia hremiste.Mporei o Lucas na exei katastrepsei thn zoh sas,na exei dialisei oti einai iero kai osio,na exei tosa polla elatwmata(vlakas,hlithios,&%$*#*@,),na exei xaramisei oli toy thn vlakia hdh,na exei visei oti einai ano stin zwh,na exei katalysei olo to susthm tou kinimatogrphou me tis ilithiothtes tou , na exei dhmiourgisei to Jar Jar Binks,na exei geliopoihsei tis tainies epistimonikhs fantasias,na exei ploutisei epeidh uparhoun kapoioi pio vlakes apo afton(ligoi alla uparxoun...),na exei valei to Yoda to kalitero Jedi na pethainei me tetoio hlithio tropo,na exei geliopoisei thn maxh Vader-Obi,na exei apostomwsh me thn aiwnia apeiria kai vlakeia tous kritikous tou cinema,(mhn anisixeitai ta vasana teleionoun stis 9 tou Mai),na...na...na... alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ? :)
  5. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ?


    Allo ena fan boy pou nomizei oti o Luca$ einai theos...


    Akou mia filiki simvouli: Xamilose to kefali sou, girna pros ton toixo, pare fore kai pese pano tou. Isos sineltheis. :)
  6. SithLOrd_MAlak Jedi Knight

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    Endaxei re paidia hremiste.Mporei o Lucas na exei katastrepsei thn zoh sas,na exei dialisei oti einai iero kai osio,na exei tosa polla elatwmata(vlakas,hlithios,&%$*#*@,),na exei xaramisei oli toy thn vlakia hdh,na exei visei oti einai ano stin zwh,na exei katalysei olo to susthm tou kinimatogrphou me tis ilithiothtes tou , na exei dhmiourgisei to Jar Jar Binks,na exei geliopoihsei tis tainies epistimonikhs fantasias,na exei ploutisei epeidh uparhoun kapoioi pio vlakes apo afton(ligoi alla uparxoun...),na exei valei to Yoda to kalitero Jedi na pethainei me tetoio hlithio tropo,na exei geliopoisei thn maxh Vader-Obi,na exei apostomwsh me thn aiwnia apeiria kai vlakeia tous kritikous tou cinema,(mhn anisixeitai ta vasana teleionoun stis 9 tou Mai),na...na...na... alla paro ola afta pisteyw pos o Lucas einai poly endaxei etsi ?

    Kata ta alla einai entaxei h...se genikes grammes einai endaxei....Obi coolarise... :D
  7. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    Good morning all.
    Tonight I dreamed that George Lucas visited me and my girlfriend in our apartement. We gave him cookies and listened to him explain some digital stuff from the PT.
    When he saw that I didn't appear to be too interested, he asked me and I said well you know, and in the dream I was a little embarassed by it all, "but i don't really like the two newest films, look I have no merchandise from the films". Then I tried to quietly explain what is wrong with them, but he began to cry haha.
    Then the dream turned into me chasing a hot Danish girl, for some reason.

    To pou lete, kathomouna se ena skoyeino kai mouxliasmeno domatio, monos mou kai evlepa to star wars kai exina. Exina mavro dakri otan skeftomouna ti exei kanei o Luca$ sto dimiourgima mou.. Tote eftase i Natali gimni ka mou eipe: Kane mou o,ti thes!. Tote kai ego, ti vazo kato kai arxizo:

























    Ako na sou po mori, den me noiazei me poious pidixtikes gia na mpeis se afto to diamanti, se afto to aristourgima pou legetai STAR WARS, all na ksereis, oti i ermineia sou kai o Luca$, aftos o sexopornodiestramenos, to viasan! Viasan kai tin paidiki mou ilikia! Meta arxisa na vlastimao ton Luca$! To ti kantilia eriksa, de legetai! Meta, pidiksa kai ti Natalie, kai edese to gliko. Meta ksipnisa kai eipa: A re Luca$, a re Luca$ ti ekanes! An ekanes tin PT kalitera, tha pidousa perissotero tin Natalie...
    Meta ksanakimithika, mipos kai emfanizotan pali i Natalie, alla tipota... A RE LUCA$!

    Ax, anevainoun oi times, oi misthoi menoun idioi, o planitis katastrefetai... A RE LUCA$!!!!!!!!111!!1!1!o!!1!1ne!!!11one!11@""!1



    That interview is another amazing Rick McCallum piece.

    It is the movie that will tie all loose ends and answer all the questions, that still remain unanswered. I think that the hardcore fans, who didn?t like Episode I and II, will be excited with Episode III. I can promise them, ROTS is the movie that they wanted to see six years ago.
    - And I can tell Rick now, ROTS is not the movie I wanted to see six years ago. I can also tell him, based on the spoilers that I've read, that this is not the movie that will tie all loose ends.

    Lucas:We are gonna get bruised for ?Episode I?. People are not gonna love this movie. But I can?t make the movie in any other way; it has to be just like this?.
    And this is exactly what happened.
    - I think it's been pretty much established that there were other ways to make episode 1. It didn't have to be like that. This is especially obvious when you see how with episode 2 they start all over again, as if most of TPM didn't happen.
    It's always the same. First episode 1 was the movie we had all been waiting for, then episode 2 was the movie that was really going into the star wars story, and now episode 3 is supposed to be the movie that we really all wanted to see, and that will make everything better. What are they going to say next? The star wars tv series will be the star wars we've all been waiting for?

    Star Wars was always the chronicles of a family.
    - Yeah, not really.

    It begins with an 8-year old boy, he grows up and he?s being immature, just like Luke in ?Episode IV?, until this young boy turns into a man, one that has to make a decision. A wrong decision. But in the same time, he is the Chosen One and the only person to bring balance in the Force. This amazing story lasts 12 hours. You will understand the process when you see all six movies together. Only then will you understand, why ?Episode I? had to be so childish and naive.
    - This chosen one stuff wasn't made up 30 years ago. Episode 1 didn't have to be childish and naive. Yes, it had to show a fairly innocent Anakin, and a different galactic situation, and it could be more lighthearted than the other prequels. But really, it didn't have to be so bad.



    People liked the OT better than TPM, so let's put OT stuff in the movies. Boba Fett flying around (yeah his name was Jango, it was really Boba from the OT), an asteroid chase, cuttin/>/>/>/>/>
  8. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    I have another point to add about Strilo's question regarding why keep talking about something you hate: Why keep talking about something you love?

    Now bear with me here. Before the 1997 SEs, I had absolutely no reason to think Star Wars was in a death spiral (remember, I dig ROTJ too). It was a given amongst literally everyone I knew that Star Wars was cool and one of the common backdrops to our lives. Ergo, it was wholly unnecessary to go on the web and talk about it. There was no controversy about the glory of Star Wars. You could say things like "I love how Vader's helmet wiggles in the wind while he talks smack to Luke in Cloud City" and you'd get a room full of head noddings. Everyone understood and agreed with what you were saying, so you didn't even have to say it. This is, in fact, why threads such as the TPM and AOTC Defense Forces wither on the vine, because there is nothing more tedious than a discussion in which there are no differing points of view. TF.N in general might want to bear that in mind, if for no better reason that its popularity increased in the late 1990s because people actually now had different views on things, and hence more things to talk about. Amazing.

    Anyway, after TPM everything changed, and rightfully so. I mean, damn. And now the reason why you have "bashers" going on and on about what they perceive as the indignities and horror intentionally inflicted on Star Wars is because they think they're protecting Star Wars from dilution and inferior additions. That's right! The term "basher" is fundamentally misleading because it is applied to people who think they have the right, nay duty, to stick up for the Star Wars they know and love. Of course all Star Wars fans think they're the center of the universe, that's part of the beauty of both the culture and of an open society. I will wisely duck the issue of "ranking" fans because it leads nowhere pleasant, although of course I have my own private opinions. However the point is that you don't have to defend something unless it's under attack, and before the SEs, Star Wars was not under attack.

    That the effort itself may be ultimately doomed is of no matter. Even though Lucas himself seems determined to eradicate anything that happened before 1999, the fanbase has proven surprisingly resilient and unwilling to forget the past, which makes sense because it was AWESOME. Yet despite what I consider to be "victories" in the noble struggle (near-universal hatred of Jar Jar, a common and growing perception that TPM is god awful, disdain for the focused marketing of Hyperspace, bafflement over go-nowhere AOTC), monstrosities such as the 2004 DVDs still continue to smash into the marketplace. History will decide what to do with the Frankenstein's Monster of Star Wars, but as long as people continue to go back to the original films when they need their fix, it won't have all been in vain.




    "I can put Yoda in a hundred movies. ... I can put him in the next Jim Carrey movie if I want to." - George Lucas


    Eidate ti eipe o Luca$?! EEE?! Giati diladi? Asxima tha otan na ekane marionetta ton Yoda? Asxima tha itan?


    Asxima tha itan na ekane o,ti tou legame emeis?


    Great pictures, folks. It truly is a terrifying prospect that the average "basher" might have 1) a surprisingly normal and adjusted lifestyle and 2) less than 6 chins. My god, it's like we're regular people.

    And speaking of which, Amazon.com has my decidedly lukewarm (ha ha) and basheriffic Star Wars 2004 DVD review back up as its spotlight review. It currently has a helpful voting rating of 164 out of a total 201. Or in other words, about 80%. The truth shall set you free.

    Pos to leei? Oi B.A.S.H.E.R.S. eferan to fos kai tin alitheia ston kosmo kai eseis protimisate to skotadi kai to psema!





    I have decided to bash the existance of little Ani in TPM. Showing him as a teenager would have first off, allowed us to see a more complex and closer bond with his mother, two, allowed us to see him actuall/>/>/>/>/>/>/>
  9. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    The ending of AOTC? Pointless and rushed, IMO. What was the point of them being married? We know they end up having children together, they already declared their love for eachother, so why bother showing them get married, especially since it would go on record somewhere, a record that could be dug up and used against them. The wedding scene was just stuck in there; if a wedding is supposed to symbolize their love for eachother and be an important step in Anakin's path, then why make it a tiny clip stuck in at the very end? Why not make it an important scene with diologue? And I still find it hard to believe that someone living in a GFFA would have what looks like an early 20th century Earth lace veil on at their wedding. GL didn't think this was a good time to be creative? Why did the dress have to be white? Why did she have to wear a veil? Why not just stick a satin cumberbund on Anakin and give him a matching bow tie? A SW wedding scene had the potential to be really cool, but to me it was short, meaningless, and too much like Earth with Padme's outfit.

    Fantazeste na min pantrevontan? E re fones gia eksogama kai anithikotites! [face_laugh]

    Music and blasters and old Jedi Masters at the STAR WARS Cantina! :D

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  10. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    Sidious looks like an old man who just realized the kid at McDonald's isn't going to give him the senior citizen discount on his cup of coffee.

    laugh I've a feeling that Sidious/Palpatine's mystique is going to suffer a fatal blow in this film. So much for the only character in the PT I still thought was slightly cool.

    Allos enas uber-super-duper-kewl pou viastike apo ti mania tou Luca4 na vgalei lefta... Ego an ekana to STAR WARS, tha to eixa free! Nai, free! Tha eperna tis fans kai tha tis elega: Oriste! Diko sas einai! Fate eseis, ego xortaino!


    Indeed, this does reek of that "who cares, it's gonna make a butt-load anyway" attitude. LucasFilm: Constantly Lowering the Bar of Professionalism.

    Allow me to continue my criticism in more detail... Anakin looks like a pouting, effeminate boy band member ripped straight from a 13-year-old girl's magazine pin-up. Padmé's wearing a positively hideous headdress as she stares off blankly into the Bluescreen Abyss with that infamous porcelain glare of hers. Obi-Wan barely resembles Ewan, appearing as though he just spent a hard night on the floor of a filthy Taco Bell kitchen. The clashing Anakin and Obi-Wan look like third-rate stunt doubles to me. Palpatine once again looks like an ugly little goblin who crawled from the deepest depths of the Cave of Uninspired Make-Up Design. As always, Mace silently screams: "Hi, I'm a pointless celebrity cameo!" The haphazard, crud-we-need-some-toys-I-mean-vehicles-on-this-thing addition of the bizarrely ill-conceived Jedi/TIE mutation is amusing. Then there's the obligatory, looming Vader helmet, which is hardly even in the movie itself. To not use it on a piece of EIII merchandising would be a mortal sin according the Lucasian Bible, you know.

    And yes, Yoda - the Cartoon Frog Fu Master. What's sad is that this is actually supposed to be taken seriously.


    Oloi aftoi VIASTIKAN!



    That ROTS Poster is utter bile! Not one of the PT posters have been very good, the best i can say for them is that they all match up pretty much to the same standard and composition. Having said that i reckon this is the worst one out of the lot, Struzan's lens-flare gimick really doesn't come off very well in it, they do look like bubbles around Vders head which kinda dampens his bad-guy image as it looks to me as if he's surrounded by fairies. the multi coloured lightsabre parade doesn't help either and why the leaping version of Yoda?!?!?! Struzans ability to replicate from photographs is nice but it would be nicer if he would bring some imagination of his own into the finished piece other than lens-flares.

    I don't understand why Lucas decided to completely change the way the original SW fonts used to headline these posters. When ROTJ came out i was a little taken back by the very "Time New Roman" type font fit the title with the old font with the "Star Wars" circling around it, I honestly preferred the way they were before, they were more smoothing to the eye. These new films have continued in the ROTJ vein which for continuity sake is a good thing to a degree but it never felt like SW to me after ROTJ changed everything. Another thing that is no longer done is the multitude of posters, I recall these films having at least three posters each at the time of release, these were stunning affairs, busy with adventurous looking scenarios and action. These originally where never simply a bunch of photos reproduced in a new composition as Struzan does for the main posters now, they were totally original pieces of art and not a len-flare in sight! I can't beleive with all the artists they employ at Lucasfilm that GL will only commission ONE single poster per PT movie and those god-awful DVD covers.

    BTW - There is ONE good thing to come out of Lucasfilm in recent years, SW Battlefronts game!!! I can shoot EWOKS and Gungans, I can sniper fire stormtroopers from hundreds of yards away, fight street to street in Tattooine like the Black Hawk Down battles in Mogadishu, i can fight alongside Vader and kil/>/>/>/>/>
  11. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    Tora pou vgike to poster, exoume kainourio material! :D
    Nees efkairies gia gelio mexri dakrion!

    THa sas kratiso enimerous!


    P.S. Gia ola ftaiei o Luca$!!!1!1!1!!OMGWT[H]!1!!!1!!o!1!!1!ne!1!eleven!
  12. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    I think there are some highly talented people at LFL not living up to their potential. Typically - that is because of leadership.

    I agree with you. But hey, this is the movie industry (Hollywood or not). When you're a hired hand, the best that you can do is to make it look as good as you possibly can in the time allotted. This definitely builds ability and potential, hopefully to be realized on other projects.

    The fault, of course, lies with Lucas himself.

    Precisely. He could care less about perfection, and has said so numerous times. And so, such care went with Kurtz right out the door...

    I'd say this were true more with repsect to his abilities as a writer and director. However, his attention to visual detail and fx is nothing short of fanatical.

    oh and *****, I think the editing for both TPM and AOTC has been horrid. In fact, I even rank TPM's editing worse than its lack of antagonist. But that's just my humble opinion. Burtt is just ANOTHER ego gone mad.

    Not knowing Ben Burtt personally, I can't vouch for his ego. As a sound editor myself, I've often wanted to re-visit picture editing (what I went to film school to learn) and can certainly relate to Burtt's desire to do so. I personally find film editing infinitely more challenging, but no less fun than sound. My abilities as a film editor, though, can only get better with more practice.

    Therein lies the editorial faults of the PT, particularly with AOTC. Ben Burtt doesn't have the same knowledge and experience with picture cutting as he does with sound design and editing. I agree with your assesment of the editing of these films being below par (particularly AOTC). I view TPM as a better edited film (no doubt due in large part to the presence of Paul Martin Smith). AOTC felt rushed and choppy, even at 143 minutes.


    Well, if ROTS fails to live up to its trailer, I can't say I'd be too surprised. I'm of the opinion that the TPM trailer was one of the best ever. I distinctly remember seeing that trailer for the first time slack-jawed, and saying to myself, "I fully expect this movie to be the best ever made." Hyperbole? Perhaps. But regardless, TPM in no way fulfilled the promise shown in that trailer. Neither did AOTC, for that matter.

    I'll download the trailer when it's online everywhere, and not too big (because I'm on dial-up). I'm not in much of a hurry to see a few cool effects shots. I'm sure those look as good as always.
    But from the trailer description I've read I didn't get the idea that it will be a great trailer.
    For now the TPM trailer is still the best. That one got me going. If only the movie would have been that good.

    Production Quality includes wardrobe and ridiculously poor and ill-thought choices like white battle outfits worn to funerals.
    - I think that originally there were more scenes on Tatooine, and that they had received Obi-Wan's message sooner. The funeral scene was probably supposed to be a last goodbye - although then it was a bit strange that Cliegg was also saying goodbye to his wife.
    I believe originally they got Obi's message first, not long after he had send it. They watched it in the garage (Artoo projected it). Then Padmé must have changed clothes, and the rest happened.
    I remember reading something like that anyway, I could be wrong.
    The way it was done in the movie doesn't make sense at all. Artoo waits a loooong time before he delivers the super-urgent message; Padmé shows up at the funeral ready for battle, Shmi had already been burried and a stone was already in place over her grave; they simply wave goodbye without saying anything; and they steal C-3PO!
    There's a lot of things in AOTC that don't make sense, there are cutscenes that should've never been filmed, and there are scenes that don't accomplish much or anything that couldn't have been included in other scenes.
    What a bit of extra effort in the writing stage could have done for AOTC is amazing. But Lucas has said that films are never finished, only abandoned. I think he takes />/>/>/>/>
  13. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    Ase, eida to trailer...

    Ena exo na po: DEN KSERO PIO EINAI TO ORAMA POU EXEIS GIA TO DIMIOURGIMA MOU £UCA$, ALLA PANTOS TO DIKO MOU EINAI KALITERO!
  14. SithLOrd_MAlak Jedi Knight

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    Giati? To treiler einai mia hara...kai dio tromares.... ;)
  15. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    ^ Nai! Itan frihto, apaisio, 2 frikwdws vasanistika lepta gia enan pragmatiko ([face_clown]) fan tou Star Wars!

    P. S.: Gia tis pragmatikes mou apopseis panw sto thema, gia enan dithyramvo, diladi, gia to theiko afto dimiourgima tis ousiastikoteris eikastikis tehnis, deite edw.
  16. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    I've been thinking about some of the story/plot details of the two PT movies and I find anumber of logical problems with them.

    Take TPM, the TF have a "battle hardend" army so they must have been fighting others. Who, and how does that match with the idea that "there has not been a full-scale war since the formation of the republic".
    Also from AotC it seems that the republic has no armed forces what so ever. Mace says that there are not enough jedis to protect the republic, they are keepers of the peace not soldiers. Dooku says that with their army the jedi will be overwhelmed and the republic will do anything they want. So in TPM, assuming that the republic had belived the queen and decide to take action against the TF, what could they have done? They had no soldiers so what were they suppose to use, harsch language? The TF could have just told them to shut up or we'll invade Corouscant next. Naboo might even be considered a military world since they at least had some fighters when it sounds that the republic does not even have that.

    I also find it somewhat hard to imagine that the republic has no army at all, there seems to be several private armies, the TF, the techno union etx. but the republic has nothing. There does not even seem to be possible for the republic to do some kind of general drafting from it's member worlds. The TF and Dooku seem totally suprised that the republic suddenly had a few hundred thousand soldiers. In a galaxy with many thousand planets it should not be very hard to drum up that kind of numbers. Take modern day Earth, the total armed forces are 20-25 million soldiers.
    But given their suprise, I guess not.

    Lastly, in clones, many worlds want to break free from the republic and Mace says that if they do break free there would not be enough jedi to protect the republic.
    Two questions, why do they want to break free and why would that automatically lead to war? Mace seem to be convinced that if the separatist break free then they will attack the republic. Why? the desire to break free from an organisation or goverment body does not also mean that you must attack the same as soon as you are free. If the spearatist are only interested in leaving the republic and that is what the jedi and most in the senate assumes to be true at that time.
    Why this talk of war, if they break off all that would happen is that the republic is smaller. There are worlds that are not a part of the republic and their existence does not casue a war with the republic, ex. Tatooine. So why would a separation automatically lead to war?

    Silly thought of the day. If Lucas want to make more SE of the OT then he could add a line in ESB, when Luke confronts Vader.
    Luke says "Hello, my name is Luke Skywalker, you killed my father, prepare to die!"

    starkeiller, einai hyperspace? Giati den mporo na to do.

    A re £uca$!!1!11111! Gia ta lefta ta kaneis ola!!!1! Palioskatotsigounare!!1!!!1~1




    Filming of 'The Hobbit' at least three years away: Jackson

    Sat Mar 12, 2:29 PM ET Entertainment - AFP

    SYDNEY (AFP) - Fans of Oscar-winning director Peter Jackson, best known for the Lord Of The Rings trilogy, will have to wait several years for his take on the fantasy book that started it all, "The Hobbit."

    Asked how long it would take to begin shooting the movie about the small, big-footed creatures, Jackson said: "Three or four years would be accurate."

    I just went blind for about 20 minutes. Peter Jackson making The Hobbit will be awesome. I find The Hobbit to be a much more intimate and self-encapsulated story, which will only play to Jackson's strength. It's a few years down the road so I think he'll have time to settle back into it without burning out on LOTR stuff, and yet not so long that he turns into a risk-averse soccer mom filmmaker.

    Speaking of which, Lucas should just stick to making trailers and leave the real film to other people. He can distill 2 hours of tedious mediocrity into a few flashed moments of potential excitement, but that's about it. I m/>/>/>
  17. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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    A re £uca$... A re £uca$...

    Sou eipame na kaneis tin PT. Ksekinas, kai emeis mes tin treli xara...
    Ti mas edoses? To Phantom Menace! :eek: Poli paidariodes. Den eixe noima. Den apantise ta mistiria tis zois.
    Se vrisame, se vlastimisame, elpizame oti mas akouses otan eipes oti to AotClowns tha itan kalitero.
    Nai, ti tifla sou malaka! Mou thimise cheesy tainia me efivous, opos to American Pie... Ma gia poious mas perases, e? Eipame, exoume gomena, kai malista 2!

    To PoutS mas iposxethikes oti tha einai to oneiro kathe fan! Skoteino, kai tha exei kai to Vader na gamei kai na dernei.

    Am de... Mexri stigmis exo metrisei >13 akrotiriasmous kai apokefalismous, eno o Vader den gamei kai dernei katholou stin tainia! Ase pou emfanizetai mon o15-20 lepta... Koroideveeis ton kosmo! Koroideveis tis fans! Palianthrope! Aliti! EMeis re se ferame edo! Emeis re! Kai tora mas agnoeis? MA/\AKA!
    PSEFTI, IPKRITI, ELEEINE! FPTOU SOU!
  18. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    Kai ksanaksekiname! :D

    Without revealing any spoilers, I'll just say:

    I HATE GRIEVIOUS! I ******* HATE GRIEVIOUS!!!

    Thank you, I feel better already.

    Xoris na thelo na prosvalo kanenan:





    BAUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!![face_laugh] [face_laugh] [face_laugh] [face_laugh]

    Sxolio gia to Republic Commando:

    R U S H T O M A R K E T


    Man, nobody likes the Kool-Aid anymore.

    Perhaps it's because it's laced with the same crack that Lucas was smoking when he wrote the PT?


    I don't play any of the SW video games but this one sounds pretty bad. Why not make the game with jedi characters where you can use Force powers? Being a clone trooper, the only thing you can do is shoot at things. Once you've shot three people, I don't see how it's fun anymore. If I was going to spend the money on a video game system and video games, I would go for the ones that have missions where you have to collect stuff or figure things out. This is making me feel old, the last video games I frequently played were the ones where Mario was flat and threw fireballs at people when he wore a raccoon hat! Or something like that. Yes, those were the days when I was addicted to video games. Actually, I did play other games after that, but they were at other people's houses on their game systems. I did eventually master playing with a 3D character. Some of those early games were pretty goofy when I think about it- on the Mario games, the "boss" character was this dinosaur guy with orange hair and spikes on his back. I also recall ducks wandering around with shells and the little green dinosaur that Mario used to ride. Strange, how this is coming back to me...I guess the thought of Yoda the flying hedgehog reminded me of the annoying little dinosaur that hopped all over the place in Mario world.


    Kserete, giati o ma/\akas o £uca$ den vgazei en paixnidi pou eisai Jedi? Oxi sa aftes tis malakies, jedi Knight Dark forces 2, Jedi Outcast kai jedi Academy. Oute san to Kotor I kai II. Kati kalo, opos ego to fantazomoun. As poume Supoer Mario Jedi, peripeteia sti Manitaroupoli tou Coruscant. Ti kalo., eee?




    Yeah, what we need is yet another Jedi game..... rolling_eyes Some of my favorite bits from the OT were the running gunfights. Something which has been sorely lacking in the PT. Well there was that whole Naboo gun fight, but that doesn't count because of their silly costumes and funny guns. There were more scenes with gunfights in the OT then Saber duels. This game is an alternative to the upcoming ROTS game (which is going to suck). Lucas Arts + console games = 90% chance of sucking hard, thats a fact.

    kekekekekekeekeke



    The new game sounds a lot like the PT... all flash and no plot. To make a shoot and run game like that work, there have to be clear objectives with multiple possible outcomes and options. Of course, that level of story complexity and background would require more time and effort.

    ksan kekekekekekekeke!



    Well there was that whole Naboo gun fight, but that doesn't count because of their silly costumes and funny guns.

    Moreover, it completely lacked tension. It didn't feel like an action sequence... while there were a lot of other problems with the piece (including what you mentioned), pacing and editing made it all just feel like "stuff that happens" not taut action.


    Atime £uca$!!!1!!1!1!11!!~1




    I agree, more blaster fights would be better. IMO, the lightsaber fights should be important, they should be meaningful for the characters, like in the OT. Qui and Obi vs Darth Maul was pointless for me because I found Qui to be a pointless and boring character. Obi Wan should have been Anakin's first and only master, that way the bond between them could have started early and we could see their friendship develop over the first two films. Obi vs Darth Maul would have been important if Maul's character had survived and come back to haunt him in AOTC and ROTS, maybe we could see how much Obi Wan g/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>
  19. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    I couldn't believe it when I saw the fifties' diner scene in AOTC. I cringe whenever I remember the roller skate droid. Dottie, or something like that. Why not name her Sandra-D, give Dexter ( I think that was the big alien's name) an Elvis hairdo, and have Ron Howard make a cameo appearance in a silver varsity jacket? I found AOTC to be filled with tons of earth references and earth-looking things. I'm going to make a small list, I'm sure there are a lot I'm forgetting...

    Padme's wedding dress- turn of the century lace veil, white gown

    Fifites Diner

    ET

    Outlander patrons' costumes- Anthony Daniels looked like a nutcracker, one lady looked like shejust stepped off the Star Trek OS set, another one looked like she could be at a club in NY today

    Padme's black dinner/fireplace scene gown- nice for the red carpet, not for SW!

    one of Anna's friends had braces- do slaves get dental insurance?

    Otto Gunga fish-GL, try and be a little bit creative with your sea monsters, I mean, big fish with sharp, pointy teeth!!! [killer rabbit]

    Naboo!!!!Renaissance Italy!!!!!

    George, den exeis fantasia...




    My feelings regarding ROTS is that, based on all the spoilers, the movie has very little chance. A little over a year ago I was quite optimistic about ROTS, but with virtually each new spoiler my optimism got chipped away until it vanished.


    Regarding the new spoiler with Yoda and Obi-Wan - I'm not quite sure what to think of it. I like the concept of them entering the temple in disguises but I'm iffy on Yoda posing as a baby. It just doesn't sit right with me. Then again, it could connect nicely to the "crazy" Yoda we see in ESB.

    O Yoda moro! An einai dinaton! :eek:





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  20. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    Problem is - those are not the things I want to see direct continuity with in regards to the OT. Obi was his master, and while the ranking is a 'nice touch' - I find myself once again questioning why SO MANY of the classic trilogies references to the Prequel era make no sense, little sense or only work with an essay of reasoning attached to them.

    1) Leia's memories. No matter how we slice this, the 'continuity error' requires some heavy rationalization.

    2) Ben and Anakin are good friends. Not onscreen. Possibly in the first act of ROTS.

    3) Anakin was a "good man." He was a good kid, but a lousy man.

    4) He was already a "great pilot". Well, a pod racer is not a pilot without stretching conventional interpretation. And in fact, he was a terrible actual pilot - because he "tried spinning" and needed lessons from Olie.

    5) "I was amazed... and took it upon himself." Closer than most others, but still a stretch. Would be OK if not for every other one.

    6) "I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda." One of the more infuriating inconsistencies set up by an off-hand comment by Yoda in his duel with Dooku - which really serves no purpose to any part of the story. Furthered by Yoda becoming Qui's master, which I would agree to Yoda being humbled, but there is a line there. The point is: Obi-Wan DID train him just as well as Yoda.

    7) C3PO. Period.

    That's basically all the references in the OT to the PT, and every one of them has been contradicted. Not just one or two. But EVERY ONE requires some sort of mental leap to justify or ignores conventional use of language to hamfist it as "technically" right.





    Until I recently went to Hyperspace, thanks to a friend, and read three excerpt pages from the 'Making Of' book. The text not once, not twice, but thrice makes mention of George Lucas turning to somebody or other and saying something to the effect of, "Oh, we're shooting that scene tomorrow? Okay, I'LL JUST GO WRITE IT."


    Oh my, it just gets better and better. What happened to the "I always intended for this" and "ultimate vision" and so on. WRITE IT THAT DAY. They shot scenes with a first draft? That folks is lazy, apathetic and dispassionate filmmaking.

    k3k3k3k3k3k3k3k3¬¬¬¬!!!!!!1!111!!11!11~1



    >>>That folks is lazy, apathetic and dispassionate filmmaking. <<<

    Technically, it's lazy, apathetic and disapassionate screenwriting. But even if every other aspect of the filmmaking process is handled to perfection (har!), it'll be like building a masion on quicksand.

    I liked your list, but no. 1 is the only one that really poses a great problem to the movie. For example, I can understand some folks not liking the absence of true friendship on display in Clones (and it is absent), but I can pretty much infer that since these two guys have been hanging around for a decade they've had some good times.

    When the script leaks, there's two spots I'm headed right for, and neither one of them involves laser swords. First I'm headed to Anakin's seduction for that still missing and rather crucial piece that ties together "We need him alive so he can teach me magic!" and "I think I'll go slaughter all the Jedi."

    Then it's off to Padme's birthing chamber to see if GL really has created the ultimate, "there's no explaining this" scene with Luke getting born first and her dying right away. If the script doesn't address either of my concerns with those two areas, I'm gonna have to take a long walk before I even attempt to read the rest.

    I give the Yoda thing a slide. Dooku was freaking seventy when he turned evil. The only pain of it is, like you said, why is the line in Clones in the first place, when it means nothing to the story?

    Oh yeah, cause George probably wrote the scene that morning!


    Ouden sxolion gia ti malakia pou varei o £uca$... [face_plain]




    I couldn't believe it when I saw the fifties' diner scene in AOTC. I cringe whenever I remember the roller skate droid. Dottie, or something like that. Why not name her San/>/>/>/>/>
  21. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    As long as the sabers stay physically connected to the person wielding them and not suspended in mid-air, being controlled by the force, blocking and parrying away as if being wielded by the Invisible Man or something... then I'm for a character skillfully controlling multiple sabers.

    Ki omos, oi B.A.S.H.E.R.S. kapos etsi fantazotan ti maxi Yoda t3h ULTlMA3+ kai Dooku (MA/\AKIA ONOMA TO DUKOO, EEE? Ego tha to ekana kalitero)


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  22. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    sorry but Lucas is a classic liar and his company well known for their manufacture of propganda. When He actually comes out and states that he never planned the events in ROTj, that Liea and Luke being related was just something he concucted to end the story quickly, that Anakin and Vader were never meant to be the same, and a whole other bunch of huge lies especially the crap about wanting to preserve the originals which is why he remastered them into the Special Editions in 1997 when all he really wanted to do is Prequelize them. When he stops treating SW fans like blank cheques and the trailers as bargaining chips, when hyperspace is free information as it should be, when he actually writes a complete script before actually concieveing a single frame of a shot on paper let alone commision hundreds of artistic designs, when he releases the OT movies untampered by CGI as well as the original documentaries and the full length "Lost Cut" of Star Wars he's had buried in the lucasfilm archives for ages. When all this is done, then and only then will i beleive a single word coming out of the Lucasfilm propganda machine and their "George Lucas created everything and on the seventh day he rested" presentations


    >>>>First of all I wouldn't trust "a making of..." book that was authorized by the same company that's filming the movie.

    Well, I wouldn't trust a "Making Of" book that had nothing to do with the people making the film. Who else is going to have access to the necessary information, especially to present it in a "diary" format?

    >>>Second it just shows how unbelievably inconsistent Lucas really is.

    Because what the book describes doesn't tally up with how people who have never met the man- let alone set foot on a Star Wars soundstage- describe his working practice?

    And if the constant hyperbolic rhetoric about his CGI obsession for I&II were true, then it appears that the first two films may have taught him a lesson about over reliance on effects...

    >>>>Other times he crams infinite amounts of crappy CGIs into a scene that is absolutely unnecessary to the story or the characters. Proving that Lucas has no true vision or clear focus for the PT and what the hell he's doing in general.

    That's a completely different issue to not bothering to film things and leaving them to fix in post.

    >>>>************** - sorry but Lucas is a classic liar and his company well known for their manufacture of propganda. When He actually comes out and states that he never planned the events in ROTj, that Liea and Luke being related was just something he concucted to end the story quickly, that Anakin and Vader were never meant to be the same...

    I thought my point was to do with Lucas' filming style, rather than his storywriting. But since you raise the subject, the book does make it very clear that the process is very fluid and non-linear, describing how characters are constantly being changed and dropped, scenes being moved, scripts being altered and so on. (Which is something Lucas has said in just about every interview on the subject I've read, so I'm not sure why you're acting as if he claimed to be filming everything from a 29 year old script...)


    Frankly, I think that the KOTOR series has had a better storyline than the PTs I've seen so far...
    more coherent and more interesting.. maybe Lucas should have hired those guys to give him advice for the prequel movies, haha.

    hehehehe hahahahaha eeeeee aaaaa! 8-}




    The PT sucks.

    Thank you, come again.

    Kai na prostheso kai to klassiko:
    I would have done the PT better.

    Fxarsto! :D




    RM said that a live action SW TV series is definitely planned. In all likelihood, it will suck. But what if...

    ...the Star Wars TV series is the real prequels? Consider the possibilities:

    1. The series is set between the trilogies and focuses on Darth Vader and the Empire hunting down and destroying the Jedi.

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  23. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Jul 18, 2001
    star 5
    ROTS will make only between $200 and $250 million because Darth Vader (the suit, not that punk Hayden) is hardly in the movie at all. Lucas?s advertising for ROTS (with Vader plastered all over) is nothing less than an outright lie.

    Ego sou to eipa £uca$: vale ton Vader na gamei kai na dernei, tipota esi. Den me akouses...


    Like everything else with the PT it is about flash rather than character. It really isn't going to matter how Obi-Wan & Anakin fight because we don't care about them. Why would you root for Anakin? We have 2 films so far & the only reason people have been given to like Anakin is because he was a cute kid. Where's the genius storytelling in that? I'm surprised Lucas didn't just give Anakin a puppy to hold the entire time. ILM can make puppies right?

    FIlozoe!


    Isn't it a bit ridiculous that they are going to write the first season of the tv show all at once, but they couldn't write just 3 movies at the same time?

    Nai re seis. Ego mia fora eixa rantevou me mia gomena... 100 fores! :eek: H kopela vevaia den irthe, alla perasa kalaaaaaaa!




    Here's a reason to see ROTS in the theatre:

    The trailer for The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe will almost certainly accompany ROTS!

    Min ksexnate kai to Palamari tou Loxagou Gousgouni.



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  24. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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  25. Obi_one_and_only Force Ghost

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