Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Thread

None you mentioned before. Something called a Steel Edition, released here last year, with 3 discs (but still slightly cheaper than the others). Apparently basically the UE with two versions of the movie - except I'm not sure if our UE is the same as your UE.

 

Tonight's episode leads me to wonder again about what Ms. Weaver is doing, and where John Henry is going. At first, I thought that the name John Henry was subtle mockery of humanity, reinforcement of the idea that a man can't really defeat a machine - even a short term victory means nothing, because the machine is relentless and will eventually wear the man down.

Maybe John Henry isn't that. Maybe he is the John Henry of the story. Weaver is trying to teach him about morality, about right and wrong. At first, that was just confusing. Last night, when Savannah was being held by John Henry, I was naturally extremely worried about her safety. There was a sinking feeling in my stomach, I was thinking "Oh no, this is where it finally happens."

But even when going nuts, John Henry didn't hurt her. OK, yes, his grip was tight. But he could have easily, easily crushed every bone in her wrist like it was a dry twig. I think that what we're seeing her is a rebel faction of machines. I think that Ms. Weaver is allied with future John. She's prepping his future bases (like the power plants), and trying to proactively build an anti-Skynet faction of machines.

 

What if Weaver is part of a third faction of rebel machines? One that wants the machines around, but don't want Judgment Day either?

There had to be a reason for John to even attempt to ask that T-1000 to join him, and also a reason for introducing that particular plot point.

 

I don't think that she's working for John. I think that she's allied with John. Big difference. Terminator 2 mentioned that the machines under Skynet's control are kept directly under it's control, it doesn't want them forming any individuality. My guess is that some machines did anyways, and they want Skynet gone just as much as John does. And hey, maybe the T1001 found religion.

 

The third faction is looking much more likely. Anyone doubt that the T-1k on the Jimmy Carter was Weaver? It's not directly under Skynet control, or it wouldn't have even bothered taking the time to talk with the resistance, but it made a clear point to Jesse that it is not part of Tech-Com.

Was there a mistake in the episode, when John Henry was discussing his shared ancestry with his 'brother'? It sounded like John Henry said that Miles Dyson died in 1997. Unless they retconned that for the show, didn't T2 happen in 1991?

 

I'll be catching up on last week's episode tomorrow. Any word on if SCC has been picked up for a 3rd season?

 

They didn't. Sarah and Cameron are still alive. No, I agree, that needs more explanation. There's just no way that his story ends like that.

My current theory is that Shirley Manson's T-1000 represents the "good" rebellious T-1000's we've been hearing about, and is trying to prepare John Henry to either smackdown or replace the burgeoning threat of his "brother," Skynet. It was hinted in this episode that, while she is not the most emotional entity, she does have some respect for saving human lives. What becomes of the increasingly morally grey John Henry is anyone's guess.

 

Holy crap. Offing Derek like that really is rare. No heroics, no last words, hell he didn't even take a shot, really. And then the arrest. Damn.

I recently rewatched the episode where they "kidnap" that boy and Derek and John go to military school. I can't decide which I like better, the reading of Oz while they kill a T, or this ending with the children's song. I can't decide, but I love that they do things like that.

 

In my opinion, John's scene with Jesse puts him at the "Most Badass" position currently.

In any case, Weaver continues to be an enigma, and John Henry surprised me by taking an active interest in keeping Savannah alive. It feels to me like the writers/directors/producers want to keep things looking like Weaver is bad, but to provide enough evidence that she's not on the bad guys side, so when it turns out she's a bad guy who's against the other bad guys it makes sense. And some people will probably call it a mindblowing twist, and those people need to get out of the house more.

Good episode, which no doubt leads into John confronting Weaver, revelations about the future, and Everything Changing.

 

I can't believe they offed Derek like that...My favorite character on the show. I wish they had given him a bigger send off

 

I really hope that they have some reason for offing Riley and Jesse and Charlie and Derek in quick succession like like that and have a legitimate concept for how to move the plot forward with either interesting new characters or expanded roles and good stories for the characters that are still around.

I'm terrified that this might be a 'housecleaning' by the producers to get rid of (relatively) expensive actors and 'shake up' the show, so to speak, to boost the ratings and (if Prison Break and 24 and so many other Fox shows are any indication) kill the interesting parts of the story in the process.

EDIT: I guess this all doesn't matter. It looks like next week's episode is intended to be the series finale.

 

The sets could be the house, hotel and Zeira Corp ones.

On the offing of Derek (how, not why) I think it was a great way to do it. Too many times do we see these giant shoot-outs and slow panning shots where we see the hero take the hits and then the grieving while the battle is still going. Derek was a soldier and this was always the possibility, and instead we have both the chance to see the grieving afterwards, and also how Derek's death is one of the first things that starts to truely build the harder wall around John.

 

Let the wind blow high, let the wind blow low
Through the streets in my kilt I'll go
And all the lassies shout hello
Donald where's your trousers

Awesome episode!!!
I can't get the song out of my head now.

They do a great job with those, as I recall I think they used Cash at the end of season 1.

Anyway, I was completely blown away by Derek's death. I almost missed it.
I was already thinking, well they got out of the house blah blah blah... Then all of a sudden, Blam!!!!!!!
I do agree, that I think that makes it more memorable.

I thought it might have been the last episode (and not sure of the status for next year), I thought maybe they are offing more poeple so my attention immediately perked up for the rest of the episode.
I was definitely glad to see there was still another show for this season.

 

well,didn't see that one coming, especially: since he got killed before the opening credits started rolling, at this rate, the only one who is for sure going to be alive, is John Connor.

 

While I've seen TV deaths that were a lot worse than Derek's, I wasn't all that pleased with it either. I wanted to see more of Derek as his own character rather than as half of Derek and (cough, cough) Jessie. What's even sadder was that he just started getting along with Cameron.

 

Well if we get Season 3, we might get to see more of Derek