Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Thread

If that's the end of the show, er, wow. Kind of leaves me feeling a little empty. If that's the end of Cameron, I'm a very sad panda indeed. If they end it there, then it technically does fit with existing chronology (except Terminator 3). John could make a name for himself and end up in control of the resistance, send his father and Derek and Cameron back in time, etc, and make things happen.

Or, season three could follow John as he tries to fix the timeline, and follow Sarah as she hunts for Cameron's body.

I'm hoping for season three, because I want a better end for Cameron.

 

Fox better not cancel this show, especially after this ending. Btw is that:Allison and not Cameron at the end?

and: a future without John Connor leading them, could be interesting

This show has to come back now.

 

I think so. The end of the show puts John in the middle of a group of people he knows he has to send to their deaths.

 

It had to be Allison, since she was playing with a dog, and one of the first points of terminator lore is that dogs don't like cyborgs. No doubt why Charlie got a dog after he went into hiding

 

In the best possible way.

As much as I will be PISSED at FOX if there's no third season, I don't think I've ever been so pleased with a season finale in terms of "I want more, but if it HAS to end here, it works".

 

too bad it wasn't on CBS, all there shows get good ratings and they don't cancel stuff right away. If The Big Bang Theory was on Fox, they would of canned it after it's first season cause of okay, but not great ratings. However, they stuck with the show and now it's doing really great, in fact CBS gave the show a 2 year pickup, Fox would never do that.

 

The mid-season finale of season four of Battlestar Galactica did better.

Arguably, it's better than the actual finale.

 

Some of you may remember this, but I just saw the Garbage music video for the title song of "The World is Not Enough". There's a few interesting similarities to Manson's character on TSCC...

 

Hahaha. I used to love that video, but I haven't seen it in so long that I didn't realize that Shirley Mansen was the singer.

Considering that they had such a high-caliber singer in the cast for the entirety of one very long season, I'm surprised that the producers and writers didn't have her sing more often for the show. Did she only do one song during her entire run?

 

Yeah, just 'Samson and Delilah' in the season opener. But it's not a song-heavy show like Smallville or Buffy; besides, other than special instances like that I prefer Bear McCreary's score. If they did the song thing too often it wouldn't have the same impact.

But that recording of 'Samson and Delilah' IS awesome. It's the first track on the show's score CD, which is what inspired me to look for Manson/Garbage videos thus leading me to the TWINE one.

 

Whoa. I was so caught up in the awesomeness of that moment that I didn't make the 'get down' connection. Awesome!

My one (minor) disappointment is that, with the finger wag and all, I was kinda hoping that the T-1000 on the sub was going to turn out to be the one from T2. But "Will you join us" pretty much seals that it was either Weaver or another member of the rogue faction.

Of course, it's *possible* that the show will reveal that Robert Patrick WAS a member of the rogue faction in an early misguided attempt to kill John. Which would in turn make Uncle Bob either a liar or misinformed, which I'm kind of ambivalent about. I mean, Future John (or perhaps just Cameron) DOES hide a lot from John in this show, so it would play into that theme to reveal that Uncle Bob was also programmed to hide the truth, but I also don't really like the idea of the show contradicting major things established as fact in the movies.

All that said, given how much we've seen (and WILL see if Season 3 happens) of Kyle, I think it would be cool to see pre-time-travel versions of the two Arnie bots and/or the Patrick T-1000 at some point in the show.

 

Yeah, that's probably the case. But it was just such a memorable moment from T2 that part of me likes the idea of it being a personal trait of that one bot (not least of all because I like the idea of the movie bots showing up in some form on the show - I mean, we've had pretty much every other major movie character that wasn't killed in the movies, plus the one big one that was).

Also, I prefer not to even consider the T-X. I prefer to think of TSCC as a vastly superior ALTERNATIVE to T3. Other than the cancer plotline, I don't think the show has made any reference that could be construed as having anything to do with T3, which is just the way I like it.

T3 seemed pretty rooted in the notion that the future timeline is fixed. TSCC on the other hand gives a future that seems to be changeable - the events of T2 stopped the Skynet from happening the way it originally did before Uncle Bob showed up. I think Derek referred at some point to Jesse not knowing something from his version of their past because of something that was changed in the present. And it remains to be seen whether no one in the future knows who John is because by jumping he altered the timeline or because this was always the way he ended up coming to lead the resistance. Though, given that Kyle in the original movie talks about John helping him escape the prison camp I'd lean towards the flexible future explanation.

Not to mention that a flexible future gives even more weight to the very first thing we hear from John in the franchise (through Kyle): The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

 

Awesome episode!
Although I'll be really pissed if we don't get a conclusion.

I had to watch the ending several times but I still think I probably missed some things.

Was that part of Weaver that went back into her leg (after shielding the blast) or was that a seperate terminator?
The first time I watched it I thought that corrupted her and then she tricked John to going into the future.

Do we know for sure if that was Weaver on the Jimmy Carter? I'd like to think so with the whole "will you join us thing".

And was that Sarah that came through at the end when we see another temporal disturbance and hear Sarah say "I love you too"?

And just some thoughts on the timeline, but in this future the Humans better be getting their butts kicked and be *this close to going out* otherwise in terms of overall story you could diminish the importance of John Conner. That is if the humans have been getting by with some other leader. I'd have to think about the continuity more but regardless of timeline John needs to be the one that does the leading. Although, if they do stay in this future it would explain how John survived Judgment Day and also his knowledge of the Machines would be unparalled.

 

The 'thing' that merged in with Weaver was the eel from the tank in her office. Which when combined with a general vibe from the scene with the detective last episode leads me to think that Weaver had left a portion of herself behind as a failsafe/watchdog.

 

it looks the show's basically canceled, according to Entertainment weekly and various other sites. Not really shocked, but still yet another reason Fox sucks. If they cancel Dollhouse, I'm not watching that network for awhile. They cancel every show I watch and keep the crap ones, ie American Idol, never seen a single episode of that show and never will. I'll stick with CBS, at least they have faith in there shows.

 

Well.... I must say I am incredibly impressed with that as a season finale. Especially the way it sets up John starting himself out, and did anyone else recognise that coat before Derek pointed it out? Definately need another series, if Fox cancels this, I will never watch their network again! I have a few questions...

Why did John Henry jump to this point in time?
Where did Weaver go?
Why did Cameron not recognise the message, when she was on the Jimmy Carter was she in a diferent timeline?
Why Did Cameron donate her chip to John Henry, if so, surely John Henry's body has her personality know?

I get the idea that these will be only answered with another season, one that will hopefully have more of the future resistance fighters, including Cameron, Derek and Reese in.

-Galactica

 

Unfortunately, things aren't looking good for T:TSCC. I noticed this on EW.com today.

 

It sure seemed to me that Cameron did recognize the message and responded to it. She probably wouldn't have let John visit Weaver if she didn't know who he was going off to talk to.

 

Allow me to for a moment:

REALLY? How is it even possible for someone to know the movies well enough to remember that line yet poorly enough to describe its context in such a misleading way?

EDIT: I'm also getting frustrated by the number of outlets reporting the EW cancellation rumor as if it were written in stone.

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions because I REALLY want another season, but I can't help wondering if there isn't something slimy going on here. FOX is getting four weeks of people hearing that the show is over before they make the official announcement. They're able to hold off all but the extremists from any sort of fan campaign, because there isn't technically a cancellation to protest yet. By the time the actual announcement is made, it's very possible that people who might have participated in a campaign for renewal will have, after four weeks of hearing "it's over", have moved on.

Like I said, I may be jumping at shadows, but I wouldn't put it past FOX to try something like this. I'm also just very suspicious at the amount of almost uniform credence lent to this single source (Ausiello) at EW.