Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Thread

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  1. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    IGN has an interview with Brian Austin Green where he talks about the future of TSCC. The relevant highlights:

    IGN: Now I have to tell you, I'm personally still in mourning over The Sarah Connor Chronicles?

    Green: Yeah, so am I!

    IGN: There's obviously a lot of people still hoping it can somehow return?

    Green: I talk to [Sarah Connor Executive Producer] James Middleton all the time and I really hope that it returns. And I know that a lot of people from Warner Bros., all the way through, really wish and hope for the same thing. And the end of the day, we have some of the greatest fans ever. I so appreciate the people that are fighting as hard as they are to bring the show back. And of course, I would love for it to happen. Ultimately, if it doesn't, I'm also really proud of the fact that we have two amazing seasons of television on DVD and Blu-ray, that people can watch from start to finish. I'm proud of every episode. I can watch the whole thing and say, "Yeah, I was a part of something that was really big and really much bigger than television is used to." Maybe it just wasn't the right time? But everyone did their work and it paid off. It's because of the fans that it went two seasons, it really is. So it was a joint effort and it was kind of one of those sort of fun, global crossovers between us making the show and the fans watching the show. There was this really large group of people that made it happen and we made two amazing seasons so far. Let's hope for the best and keep our fingers crossed for more? And if not, we can still be happy with what we have.

    IGN: Thomas [Dekker] mentioned in an interview the possibility of a straight-to-DVD Sarah Connor Chronicles movie. Has James talked about those possibilities with you?

    Green: Yeah, I've heard that possibility. If anyone can make it happen, James Middleton can do it. He loves the show. Our cast, we miss doing the show. I know everybody would be back in a heartbeat to do it. So I'm sure right now, it's just sort of a number crunch. It's just sitting with the right guys and making sense of it, where they can afford to do it and do it right. That's the tough thing. I'm sure we could go anywhere and get a straight-to-DVD deal, but if we don't have the right amount of money, we can't make it the right way. And I don't want to make a straight-to-DVD just to say we did it and have it not be what we were making. So it's going to take a little work, but I think there's a really good possibility of it happening. The fact that people are still buying the DVDs and there's the demand for it? I know there's a billboard that's driving around Burbank saying, "Save the show. Bring it back." That's amazing. Those little things, they're all little things, but they become something bigger. And I think if enough people just kind of keep putting that energy out there, something will happen. I think we have a really good chance.



    [face_praying]
  2. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    When I think of season 2, I think of a tired and old far beyond his years John Conner waiting for Jessie in the hotel room, and the conversation he had with her. In that moment, there was no doubt in my mind that that character had it in him to lead humanity in the war against Skynet. As great moments on television go, I'm hard pressed to think of better. For me, it blows things like the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger and Boomer shooting Adama right out of the water.
  3. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I find it hard to contrast cliffhangers with character-defining moments like the John/Jessie hotel scene- but that scene certainly had me questioning that policy of mine ;)

    I'd find it easier to compare, say, Starbuck telling Adama how she passed Zack when she shouldn't have, with John & Jessie. But I think John & Jessie wins out just for, as uou point out, how it crystalizes the transition of John Connor's character into who he becomes.
  4. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    Just started watching season 2. Aside from the extremely annoying noise (I won't dignify it by calling it "song" or "music") and the utter cop-out of the first episode in resolving the season 1 cliffhanger, I have to say this is one of the best SciFi shows on the air. Was very annoyed to hear it had been cancelled. Unlike BSG: the remake, which was incrediblly boring, SCC keeps moving, even when you suspect what is coming next. Even when you're right about what is next, they still manage to make it worth watching.
  5. saturn5 Jedi Master

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    I LOVED Shirley Manson's version of Samson and Delilah! Great series, get's better then sort of loses it's way towards the end of the season before coming back strongly in the last 2 eps.

    BSG was great, very clever ending
  6. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    If you could sit through BSG without being bored... I don't know whether to envy or pity you. I couldn't finish ep 4.

    As for the "Sampson & Delilah", to each his own.
    Were I in charge, the endo skelleton of Cammeron would have emerged with the last of the flesh still burning and crushed the criminals. Then they'd have had to graft the skin she's stored in the freezer onto her body and keep her hidden until the preferred profile could heal back to the teen chick. Meanwhile, they have to hide her and run from the police, etc. The glitched chip was annoying. Esp when Sarah and John both kept flinching from doing anything to kill or seriously damage her.
  7. Asharak Force Ghost

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    "You can´t allow yourself to have episodes with nothing happening (not even permanent character developing) if you are under threat of cancellation . . ."

    This IMHO is beyond doubt what killed the series. When it was good it was so ridiculously good, butt the middle of season 2 destroyed the momentum it had almost completely. It got better again, but they murdered the show when they suddenly had 4 episodes in a row where almost nothing happened.

    BSG was great until the last episode, which destroyed any future rewatch of the series forever. The Opera House and the miracle baby is mentioned so many times in the series it becomes impossible to enjoy it, knowing how little thought was spent on resolving it.

    B5 was perfect, nuff said.
  8. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    I think that reflects how Cameron was a decidely different type of android- though it was never resolved, we know she was based on a real person and seemingly had a degree of emotions and memory recall not found in other Metal. I had the impression she might even have had some kind of cyborg element to her beyond the skin.
  9. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    B5 was perfect until season 5, which was disjointed and immensely unsatisfying. It felt like every 4 or 5 episodes was a story that should have lasted a season, but was just hastily slapped together because the original intended stories were slammed into season 4 because of the network shenanigans.
  10. Dingo Force Ghost

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    I think that part of this came from the way that they got the extra episodes for the season. Instead of having the first half of the year in the bag and then getting a full season extension, they were given extra episodes here and there over the course of their run. Makes it hard to craft a fuller story when you don't know how much time you have to tell it in.
  11. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Well, to be fair, that was mostly just the first half of the season. Once Londo's Drahk arc kicked in mid-season, Season 5 wasn't bad.
  12. Asharak Force Ghost

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    I rewatched B5 in its entirety this summer, and call me crazy, but I thought s5 was the second best season. Sure, there were one or two mediocre episodes, but the telepath stuff was a lot better than I remember. I...a-a-actually...k-k-k-kinda...l-l-l-l-l-l-liked Byron (ducks).

    The second half of the season is as good as anything the series ever delivered, anyone that says anything different is a liar and a cheat (runs away fast, but with much dignity).
  13. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah, that secondhalf was mostly unaffected by the Season 4 compression- it was the first half that suffered (thats where the Earth Civil War plotline was supposed to resolve). That first half really depends on how much you like or hate Byran. If you don;t like him, you're not going to like that first half since it's all about him. If you like hyim or at least tolerate him it's not so bad- plus, more Bester helps balance things out. I still enjoy S5 over S1.
  14. Asharak Force Ghost

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    "more Bester helps balance things out"

    So say we all
  15. Nobody145 Force Ghost

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    Yeah, Babylon 5 was wonderful... until they hit the fifth season and telepaths. Never much cared for the Telepath and the hostage crisis and... well, Bester was great, and after Londo couldn't avoid his fate anymore, things got much better, but the first half of that season was so-so. Setting up the ISA was great, and I still like the season overall over Season 1's wandering nature (although that was only the first season, and fortunately things settled down by the second season), though Season Three and Four remain my personal favorites.

    Yeah, we know some of Cameron's background, especially after that flashback episode where we see the original Allison (another of this series' wonderful episodes), but still, I sometimes if how she was reprogrammed was perhaps the part with the most storytelling potential. Somehow I'm doubtful it would've just been a relatively normal "realize Person has been replaced, disable the Terminator then rip out the chip before it reboots" scenario.

    Ugh, I tolerated BSG till the end of the first season, then gave up watching in disgust (mainly just read wiki summaries after that). The "final five Cylons" retcon was particularly ridiculous and convoluted.

    Hm, I thought Sarah was mostly willing to melt Cameron whenever necessary, it was John that was perhaps attached to her to an unhealthy degree (heck, the finale showed how much he cared about her... which is really, really creepy, but still so very interesting). Although the glitched chip was really annoying, especially since it was never really resolved. Bad enough she couldn't be completely trusted in the first season, then she's on the fritz for a good deal of the second season (though many first season sub-plots were dropped anyway, so aside from the glitch, Cameron was mostly trustworthy).
  16. Asharak Force Ghost

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    "Ugh, I tolerated BSG till the end of the first season, then gave up watching in disgust (mainly just read wiki summaries after that). The "final five Cylons" retcon was particularly ridiculous and convoluted."


    Look up the "Opera House vision" we were shown again and again for almost 5 years, you will laugh yourself silly. All that speculation for nothing. It turned out to have no real meaning whatsoever. The moment it supposedly lead to, would have been far better if it hadn?t had the silly connection to the vision.

    The importance of the baby was completely irrelevant to the humans in the fleet, therefore making it a completely pointless part of the series (a massive part of the series at that).

    Don?t get me started at the pointlessness of spending 2 years theorizing what happened to Starbuck.
  17. sapphire_eyes Jedi Padawan

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    I really enjoyed TSCC, especially season 1, and I was disappointed to see it cancelled. Season 2 lagged a bit in the middle, but the season (series) finale was great. I would have hoped that the release of Terminator: Salvation would have salvaged the series for at least one more season, or that the Sci Fi channel could have saved it.
  18. Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon Jedi Grand Master

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    What I really loved was that the penultimate episode was like an amazing end-of-season cliffhanger, and then the actual last episode blew it out of the water.

    FOX's decision to keep Dollhouse and cancel Terminator was worse than NBC picking Jay over Conan.
  19. Chewgumma Chosen One

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    TSCC is being repeated in the UK at the moment, it's currently in the middle of S1. I forgot what a solid little series it was. It wasn't perfect but it portrayed the tone and feel of James Cameron's Terminator films better than 3 and Salvation did. I never watched season 2 on it's first airing thanks to a lack of advertising so I may give it a shot this time around. :D
  20. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    Wow.
    Just finished watching season 2, and I have to say, "What a horrible way to end the show." I hate unresolved cliffhangers.
    I can almost see what they were trying to do, but the way they did it... Yuck.
    It is a great pity, because as has been stated, aside from some "we're tripping not knowing where to take the show" episodes early in season 2, it was a very good program.

    Oh well.
  21. Count_Doodie Jedi Knight

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    i loved the end of season 2!
    what aspects disappointed you?
    -doodie
  22. hansen Force Ghost

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    I would have loved to get more seasons, but I still thought the last episode was a rather fitting (and intriguing) end.
  23. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    All of the unresolved loose threads.
    Who was the force that wouldn't join?
    What happened to the John Henry?
    Who put the tracker in Sarah?
    Who was the other force working with Skynet?
    What does Sarah do once she's separated from John?
    Where did the red-head go?
    What happened with the little girl?

    You know, the details.
  24. Legend_of_Leroy Jedi Grand Master

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    Well Ed Winston put the tracker in Sarah...

    But perhaps an audience that knows its cancelled, has a different reaction to how the rest of us who didn't know its fate at the time.
  25. Koohii Jedi Grand Master

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    And she killed him. So, who was tracking her? Who did they work for? Same people Red Haired Chick was working against?
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