No, Icehawk, there's no implication there. The point was, and I'm glad you insist on missing this because it makes me feel truly better for not being on the same side as you, is that the insurgency in Iraq is a haphazard entity that doesn't conform to traditional insurgency patterns. And it won't help in Iraq, Icehawk. They're there because people like you screwed up in the first place and made the mistakes that have been, the Iraq War. If we hadn't listened to neocon hawks who saw teh military!!1! as the only viable solution to the problem of terrorism (curiously, most of the people in the White House most hell bent on war never served). As DarthBoba said, most of th einsurgents are there for money. You don't care about the whys, but let's give youa chance to make things up after endorsing a policy that has made Iraq a quagmire and worsened the terrorist situation - if they're doing it for money, and we'd been pushing the Saudis et al to reform and invest in the local market, would as many guys be ready to go and fight the "arrogant and stupid"* American presense? (* - Though of course, there was neither present there, I retract ) It is cute that you can see birch, and oak, and pine, but not a forest. And that thing you keep ducking? That's the point. Let it in, Icehawk, and admit - your ideals failed! Categorically! Final grade - F! 0%! Your ideals failed the American, Iraq, and Arab people in the Iraq war and it's time to move on before more Americans die as a result of your hubris!