[TF.N] Joshua Griffin Resigns as Editor

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  1. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling

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    Okay, how did the discussion turn from the resignation of Josh to homosexuality? Ugh. [face_plain]
  2. Pellaeon-Firke Jedi Grand Master

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    Sorry to see you go, Josh.

    Off-topic: It was probably when this post was made:

    xie
    Registered: May 02

    Date Posted: 11/5 5:31pm Subject: RE: [TF.N] Joshua Griffin Resigns as Editor
    CAN WE NOW BE LESS THAN GOD PRAISING AND ACKNOWLEDGE OUR HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS PLEASE?
  3. darthcleo Administrator Emeritus

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    Good bye Josh!

    I didnt even know you had "kids" with an 's' at the end by now! Congrats!
  4. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Bob...
    "Care to enlighten me as to what you're talking about?"

    Xie suggested that now that Josh resigned, we could all start talking about our gay friends now. I suggested that I've always talked about gay charcaters when appropriate.

    "Well, I know he's joking, I just don't think it's very funny. Of course, it may be because I had a gay dog. He died. I was so traumatized afterward that I cut out my sense of humor with a rusty spoon."

    Sorry to hear that. Really. We all need more gay dogs in our lives.
  5. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

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    Xie suggested that now that Josh resigned, we could all start talking about our gay friends now. I suggested that I've always talked about gay charcaters when appropriate.

    Yeah, I caught that. I took exception to your use of "gay" as a term to describe a character you don't like, which might be considered baiting or flaming by some. Sorry to make an issue out of it, and I don't mean to derail the thread. I'm just looking for an explanation without the flippant commentary.
  6. Jedi_Satimber Jedi Grand Master

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    let's put it this way:

    Jacen Solo is very much like Luke Skywalker...equally whiny.

    Pee Wee Herman was less annoying then Luke and Jacen. ;)
  7. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Bob...
    "Yeah, I caught that. I took exception to your use of "gay" as a term to describe a character you don't like, which might be considered baiting or flaming by some."

    Then you were confused. My dislike of Jacen has nothing to do with his sexuality. What you're honestly suggesting is that gay characters cannot be disliked for their character traits/flaws outside of their homosexuality. Or, an even more distasteful proposition, I suppose, is that while straight people are defined by any number of traits - good and bad - gay people are defined entirely by their sexuality. It is the 21st century.
  8. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

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    Fine, if we're really going to go off topic, lets go all the way.

    Then you were confused. My dislike of Jacen has nothing to do with his sexuality. What you're honestly suggesting is that gay characters cannot be disliked for their character traits/flaws outside of their homosexuality. Or, an even more distasteful proposition, I suppose, is that while straight people are defined by any number of traits - good and bad - gay people are defined entirely by their sexuality. It is the 21st century.

    Actually, I wasn't confused. I don't appreciate your attempt to twist my words and your own to suit your purpose, either. You have provided no evidence that the character of Jacen Solo is gay, and I don't believe that there is any, considering his relationship with Danni Quee in the NJO series.

    Lets look at what you said and how it could be interpreted as a derogotory statement as defined by the TOS.

    Well, I already acknowledge the character of Jacen Solo in relevent posts in the EU forums. (Granted, I acknowledge that his character sucks, but that's beside the point.

    Here you are insinuating that Jacen Solo is gay. You also acknowledge that he "sucks" as a character. You provide no context for your comment. To the best of my knowledge the cahracter is not gay, and insinuating that he is and that this would be percieved as a negative is inappropriate.

    I followed by asking if that comment wasn't inappropriate, unless the character actually was gay.

    Your response:

    Unless, sure. But that's a pretty big "unless" in his case.

    Again, no proof is provided to backup your original statement.

    So I asked for some in my next post, as well as an explanation of your menaing.

    Your response:

    Xie suggested that now that Josh resigned, we could all start talking about our gay friends now. I suggested that I've always talked about gay charcaters when appropriate.

    Instead of providing evidence you talk down to me like I'm a slow four-year-old.

    So, in sum, you've provided no evidence to prove that the character was ever gay in the first place. All I've gotten is flippant responses. You're affixing the label to him. Now you're trying to twist my words around to make it look as if I am the one affixing broad negative labels to a person or character I don't like.

    I don't appreciate that.
  9. Genghis12 Manager Emeritus

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    Bob...
    "Instead of providing evidence you talk down to me like I'm a slow four-year-old."

    Well, unless I know for sure from proof of parental consent, I try to treat everyone whose age I don't know as at least thirteen.

    I apologize if you think I was unsuccessful in doing so in this case.
  10. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

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    Well, unless I know for sure from proof of parental consent, I try to treat everyone whose age I don't know as at least thirteen.

    I apologize if you think I was unsuccessful in doing so in this case.


    Jeez, when did PreacherBoy get back into ModSquad?

    Has anyone else noticed that he's completely sidestepping the point of contention here? You would think an EU Lit mod would be able to back up his point without having to resort to talking in circles.
  11. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling

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    When PreacherBoy was a mod, he caused enough trouble to be shot. Of course the JC was a little more primitive in those days.
  12. Kimball_Kinnison Force Ghost

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    Let it go. Both of you.

    Kimball Kinnison
  13. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    Lighten up, guys. This is a thanks, Josh thread. You both are disrespecting his years here with your bickering. Thank you for taking your differences elsewhere, please. :D
  14. mac-nut Jedi Grand Master

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    I hope I didn't kill this thread..... [face_plain] :( :_|
  15. JadeSolo Manager Emeritus

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    Thanks, Josh, for the site and everything that comes with it.

    Now that you're gone, I want my damn life back. :p
  16. CitizenKane Jedi Knight

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    Thanks Josh, for always striving for the Best for TF.N

    Thanks, Josh, for being an editor who cared

    Thanks Josh, for giving us your most valuable possesion: your time

    Thanks, Josh, for showing me personally, how much fun Star Wars can really be.

    My absolute best goes out to you and your family. :)
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