Thanks Bush!

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Padme Bra, Jul 18, 2001.

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  1. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    //realizes that liberals must not have a concept that the tax refund I'm receiving is my money

    //is beginning to understand that principles seem to be a foreign concept to some liberals

    //guesses that Sith Vicious just likes to call Bush a monkey because he's incapable of debating the merits of fiscal poilcy

    AYBABTU


  2. Sith Vicious Jedi Master

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    Jun 8, 1999
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    Whatever. Label us all. I've got one for you, too.

    btw, this thread was meant as a joke, as Padme Bra pointed out, not a forum to debate fiscal policy, as if anyone here is capable of that.

    Why won't you answer the serious questions I asked? Instead, you label me and those who disagree with you as being without principle, all the while mocking my argument on the grounds that I labelled Bush a monkey.
  3. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Mar 8, 2001
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    Actually, I didn't really mean all liberals. I just meant you.

    EDIT -- That was too harsh. I just don't understand why some people don't seem to understand that the money comes from a surplus. We overpaid the feds for services, and they owe us change back. What's so difficult to understand?

    AYBABTU

  4. ktwsolo Jedi Master

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    Feb 25, 2001
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    Darth_AYBABTU: The government needs the taxes to provide services for us. I don't understand why everyone (especially Republicans) are always whining about them. We have a government to provide for us, but we have to provide the funds.
  5. ktwsolo Jedi Master

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  6. darthmomm Jedi Master

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    Being relativley new to the who politics issues...I fail to understand the whole idea of a surplus...I mean..we do have a debt to pay dont we? So I fail to see how we have any extra money??

    Could someone honestly explain that to me?? I really do not understand.

    I guess this is the first time I am not in agreement with Bush's policies...perhaps it is because I do not understand it.

  7. Lord Mauly Mall TFN/JC Banner Artist Team

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    I'm thankful for bush, too.
  8. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    "We have a government to provide for us, but we have to provide the funds."

    They are providing those services, many more than they're Constitutionally obligated to provide. Federal spending is increasing, despite this tax cut. Never mind how much federal spending is a waste.

    "I mean..we do have a debt to pay dont we? So I fail to see how we have any extra money??"

    The tax cut is only 25% of the surplus. The regular budget provides for debt payment. Under the 10-year plan proposed by Bush, all the debt that can be paid is paid by 2011. The part that's left is long-term debt that can't be paid early without a penalty.

    As for whether or not I feel happier that I've got the money rather than the government -- you're darn tootin' I'm happier! If I want to donate that $300 to a local charity, I assure you all that the money will be more wisely spent than if the feds funnel the cash into one of their "charities". Government is plenty big enough. They don't have a Constitutional mandate to do half the stuff they do now, and people don't need to become any more dependent on the government than they are already.

    As for my statement on "principles," this tax cut is based on a principle -- my money is my money. I paid plenty of taxes. Plenty. The US government ended up with more than five trillion dollars of extra money. We overpaid. They owe us our change back. Those responsible for this tax cut understand that principle. Those that oppose it seem to not understand. Think of it this way: the government is reinvesting in those that grant them power in the first place -- the people. Even then, we're only getting back about 25% of the surplus. This $300 is just a tiny portion of the total plan.

    My ire is not directed toward you, Sith Viscious, but the notion that I am somehow wrong for happily accepting my change back. I do not understand how many think that some moral catastrophe is taking place simply because people are getting a tax cut. This isn't the first time it's happenned in this country. But it is the first time it's come from a surplus this huge.

    An additional note -- In the past, people were considered heroes for protesting out-of-control taxation. Anyone ever hear of the Boston Tea Party?

    AYBABTU

  9. BobTheGoon Moderator Emeritus

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    But Bush is a monkey, see?

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  10. Obey Wann Former RMFF CR & SW Region RSA

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    What AYBABTU said. It's my $$$, and I want it back. Plain and simple. I can use it a whole lot better than they can.
  11. Dev Sibwarra Jedi Master

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    Jun 4, 1999
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    PB, I wont be getting a slice at this time. I'm a dependent on my parents tax return. Maybe sometime later if there is enough cash left in this American Pie I might be getting a little slice.


    Last I heard, Bush was doubling the dependancy credit. Thanks to you, your parents get $500. This extra income that you brought in to the family would be a good thing to mention when asking for an increase in allowance. If they refuse, threaten to become an illegal immigrant. :)
  12. Sith Vicious Jedi Master

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    lol. BobTheGoon presented incontrovertible evidence.
  13. slimybug Force Ghost

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    I love digging threads out of the trash!
  14. Vaderbait Jedi Grand Master

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    I may be stereotyping, but I have yet to see a liberal who makes any sense, :p. If I payed taxes, I'd be even happier with Bush. :).
  15. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 10, 1999
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    What Bush is doing is known as the "trickle down effect." I don't think it's ever worked to stimulate the economy since invented during the depression. Don't get me wrong, I like Bush, but this method just doesn't work.
  16. FutureEmperor Force Ghost

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    Ariana.

    It did, it's called the 80s and the resultant tech boom of the 90s. If nothing else, the tax cuts of the 80s resulted in record tax inflows. Taxes HURt the economy, they do not help. IF people have more of their own money they save and spend and invest. I'm being very basic here, but that's beneficial.

    More to the point, it's MY money. Funny how propaganda works so well that now we question whether or not we deserve the money we earned.
  17. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    I'm not talking about tax cuts, I'm talking about giving money back to the people at the top and assuming that their spending will therefore "trickle down" and make money for those lower on economic wealth poll.

    It was tried during the great depression and failed miserably. It was tried right before 9/11 and failed miserably.
  18. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    Actually, this isn't pure trickle-down. Everyone who paid taxes got the same refund, and everyone who paid taxes got a rate reduction.

    Regardlss of any trickle down effect the tax cut may have, it's just terrible economic policy to carry a surplus ever, and especially so during a recession.

    And not that you'll hear about it on tv, but a bi-partisan Congressional budget committee is projecting a 1.7-1.9 trillion dollar surplus in the years 2002-2011, despite all this silly talk of deficits.

    Oh yeah, and trickle down does work. Federal tax revenues doubled after Reagan's tax cuts.

    AYBABTU?

  19. Ariana Lang Jedi Youngling

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    Ok, I'll say it one more time -- I'm not talking about tax cuts! I'm talking about trickle down! Tax cuts = sometimes works; trickle down = never seen it work
  20. Darth_AYBABTU Force Ghost

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    I think we may have our wires crossed here. Isn't trickle down a tax cut? Isn't a tax cut proven to work?

    I'm a fan of yours Ariana, so I'm not just being difficult for the sake of being diificult.

    AYBABTU?

  21. Emuboy Jedi Grand Master

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    Nov 7, 1999
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    Except that it's not really a tax cut, its putting off the money you'll eventually pay anyways.

    DECEPTION AT WORK, GENTLEMEN.
  22. Duckman Jedi Master

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    Jan 21, 2000
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    Thanks to Bush for providing hours of classic comedy! :)
  23. DarthSapient Jedi Youngling

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    Jun 26, 2001
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    Thank you Dubya for teaching me to not underestimate the power of a pretzel.
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