The 14th EUC Starfighter Draft: Backdraft

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  1. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    don't really see how the OQ one could really be seen as a good on...
  2. adaml83 Force Ghost

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    Me either since Ooryl wins many more times than not.
  3. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    Fortunate #4

    Sparkly Vampire Division:

    Demon Squids (Name Courtesy of Jello Enteprises LTD) vs 725th Imperial Fighter Group (0-1)


    Nien Nunb trumped with Ten Numb trumped with Aril Nunb vs Narra


    Winner: Trump

    Sexy Werewolf Division:

    Snootchie Bootchies vs The Confused Mynocks (1-0)


    Plo Koon trumped with Obi-wan Kenobi vs Maarek Stele


    Winner: I'm gonna say trump on this one. The trump is cohesive, both are Jedi so that takes away part of Stele's advantage. Obi-wan is no chump in a fighter either. I really think the two of them could work together to take out Stele.
  4. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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  5. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    yea, if wedge, the baron or luke could bust this trump stele should be doing the same.
  6. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Oh, yeah, Stele should definitely blow that trump out of the sky. Absolutely no doubts in my mind whatsoever.
  7. KenKenobi Force Ghost

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    Good thing a lot of the stuff in your mind makes no sense when, like, looked at critically.


    EDIT: Whatchoo talkin' bout Trim, that trump was just for this match, it couldn't have been busted before. And Luke wouldn't do that, he's on my team and loves Kenobi too much.
  8. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    yea, if they were flying against him and trying to kill them, luke not only could, but would bust that trump. :p

    but i suppose could would be a lot better word to use than would. and those people could bust that trump, and stele is same level skillwise. he's not the leader of the other first rounders, only reason he doesn't go as high as he should.
  9. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    Ohs Noes! It's Jedi Pilots! And one is a creepy-looking alien.



    Agree with 'sey.


    I like Stele. He's good. He aint busting that trump.
  10. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    we'll just have to disagree on that one inty. i'd definitely have been arguing a lot harder were it my match.
  11. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    Slick #7

    Sparkly Vampire Division:

    Demon Squids (Name Courtesy of Jello Enteprises LTD) vs 725th Imperial Fighter Group (1-1)


    Derek "Hobbie" Klivian vs Atril Tabianne and Falynn Sanskimmer


    Winner: Hobbie can take these two

    Sexy Werewolf Division:

    Snootchie Bootchies vs The Confused Mynocks (2-0)


    Dak Ralter trumped with Dash Rendar vs Gavin Darklighter


    Winner: My gut says that Gavin can pull off the victory here.
  12. KenKenobi Force Ghost

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    Whoa deja vu guys, didn't I just read this in the Arena?
  13. adaml83 Force Ghost

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    Agree w/Sey...btw I would have voted Stele.
  14. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    I would go the other way and say that Stele's ability to use the force to amplify his far greater skill neutralizes the crutch (I mean the Force) that Kenobi and Koon use.

    Stele out-skills both of these guys by a longshot, has experience that neither guy could hope to match, and his ability to use the Force is tailor made for being used while in a dogfight.
  15. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    No, seriously guys. Just look at the Stele Chronicles or the TIE strategy guide. Unlike pretty much all the other video game characters, Stele's exploits are canonically charted out. At Vinzen Neela V, he shot down four fighters and two corvettes in the span of eight minutes. At Ottega, he was personally responsible for taking down five corvettes, an escort frigate, a light Calamari cruiser, and a Victory Star Destroyer. After that battle, he had fourteen confirmed capital ship kills. Most of his exploits were achieved under tremendously lopsided odds--yet he wrote about it in his journal as if it were the slightest thing, casually discussing how he'd fly close in to the capital ships and take out their point-defense guns before shooting them down. Not even Fel has done anything remotely similar--in fact, Stele was awarded the piloting title Tan, the only other holder of which is a certain Anakin Skywalker.

    Stele's better than Fel, and Fel's easily better than these two.


    edit: For the record, I'm not as interested in overturning the result (it's not my match) as I am with making sure that people don't actually think those two are better. :p
  16. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    *looks at former team* hmmm... don't think i really have anything against jedi pilots... soooooooo... it must be that i just think the merits of kenobi and plo koon, even combined, don't even pretend to touch on stele.
  17. KenKenobi Force Ghost

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    Really, Jello? Really?

    You feel free to offer your own comments about another match, but avoid backing up your own claims with the argument that it's "just between" you, your opponent, and the judges? Nice. You know I'd be more than happy to respond to what you just wrote if I didn't think you'd waste my ****ing time again.
  18. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    must THAT be brought up again?o_O
  19. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    What does that sound like? Hm, it sounds like correcting a factual oversight and not getting into somebody's business? Did I ask you to get into a discussion with me about it? No, not really. I'm not asking you to justify your result.

    As far as wasting time, I'm sure you're the only person in this draft who's time is valuable.

    Enough with calling people out. This draft doesn't need that. I'd have just left it at that, but I think you might have protested that I didn't reply to you, or somesuch. So there's your reply, and that's enough of that.

    In fact, forget it. If KK can't resist personal jibes because of my presence here, I'm just going to bow out for the sake of the draft. Somebody else can take over my team--and should they win, they can enjoy the colors. Or I can just concede the match to Typo, whatever's easier. Ciao, KK, enjoy the draft.
  20. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    SFD. Serious. Business.

    Guys, this is entirely unnecessary. Jello I will sim your team for the next round if you beat Typo. He's not really around either so its not like if there is an argument that you're going to miss anything.

    KK - Jello made it perfectly clear that he wasn't trying to overturn the results. I don't think Stele can take down those two no matter what anyone says and Inty has always been a stickler for not allowing people to bust trumps so easily so I think you're safe on us not changing our minds.

    The commish says for everyone to keep your personal issues out of my draft.
  21. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    Thanks for being open minded...I guess that confirms my growing suspicion that arguments and a laundry list of superior feats really don't matter in this draft.
  22. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    Make an argument anyway, nothing is stopping you.
  23. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    Look, I'm always open to arguments. If I wasn't this draft would go a heckuva lot faster, because I wouldn't wait on arguments.

    But, let's look at this match. I'm not shutting out the pro-Stele argument. I know how good Stele is. But, this draft has long had a bias towards pilots that flew between Yavin and the NJO. Why? Because when the draft was formed, the best material we had was for that era. We hadn't fully flushed out the Clone Wars era. All we had to go on was the movies, and not even all three of them!

    Now that Clone Wars material is becoming prevalent, it's time to admit some of these Prequel era folks have feats and reputations to match (and sometimes surpass) the later-era pilots. When someone is praised by or compared to a Wedge or a Tycho, we take that as high praise and elevate their stock accordingly. But, when someone is praised by or compared to Anakin Skyalker, it's still discounted.

    So, to recap, I'm not discounting Stele. He's wonderful. He's awesome. He's on par with the best of the best. But (and this is coming form someone who has a rule that simply says "Plo Koon sucks"), Plo Koon is a very good pilot. Obi-Wan has seen plenty of action as well. Either of them? No match for Stele. He takes them down. But, it's not so simple that Stele simple can vape either of them. Especially considering they'll fly quite well together.
  24. Mikaboshi Force Ghost

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    I had a few thoughts typed out, but it really doesn't matter what I think.

    Go ahead and get this over with.
  25. New_York_Jedi Force Ghost

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    CAUSE ROGUE SQUADRON IS ******* AWESOME, THATS WHY.


    Or at least that seems to be the reasoning for a lot of votes.
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