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Games The 17th EUC Starfighter Draft: Pigs on the Wing

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Point Given , Sep 30, 2012.

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  1. imiller

    imiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I (censored) (deleted) (redacted) football.

    But thanks for the breakdowns! I am curious to know if anyone is willing to do an assesment of Syal and Myri vs. Feylis and Avan.
     
  2. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    The matches will begin at midnight EST so if you are working on trade proposals you had better hurry up and remember to submit it to me by then or you're out of luck
     
  3. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Do we still have free agent time? Can I drop Ben and pick up Octa?
     
  4. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't know, give it a try. PG will let you know if he objects.

    I wouldn't care, but I don't really have a say in that.
     
  5. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  6. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    K. New team:

    PANTS ARE GREAT squadron

    Luke Skywalker
    Jagged Fel
    Derek "Hobbie" Klivian
    Aril Nunb
    Ace Azzazman
    Octa Ramis
    Shawnkyr Nuruodo
    Kyle Katarn
     
  7. imiller

    imiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Wanna trade Kyp for Jag so Octa has a friend? :)
     
  8. adaml83

    adaml83 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Breakdowns

    DarkEagle

    1. Wedge Antilles
    2. Wes Janson
    3. Corran Horn
    4. Asyr Sei'lar
    5. Kasan Moor
    6. Anj Dahl
    7. Bror Jace
    8. Lensi

    I have to say I really like the top three, and Bacta Boy is a steal for a seventh rounder. You may have reached a bit for Asyr, but not much. Fairly close to my dream team.

    RX_Sith

    Jaina Solo
    Saesee Tiin
    Mara Jade Skywalker
    Adi Gallia
    Jhoram Bey
    Anakin Solo
    Broak Vessery
    Nial Declann

    Individually it's pretty good, but as a team they confuse me, that's not good. It's all over the place, so while there's links between some pilots there's no overall links for superior cohesion.

    MASTERPRENN

    Luke Skywalker
    Jagged Fel
    Derek "Hobbie" Klivian
    Aril Nunb
    Ace Azzazman
    Octa Ramis
    Shawnkyr Nuruodo
    Kyle Katarn

    Another very good team, and the swap for Octa will help, in fact having Katarn as your 8th pilot is pretty good.

    s65horsey

    Soontir Fel
    Pash Cracken
    Keyan Farlander
    Jake Farrell
    Rookie One
    Dash Rendar
    Lando Calrissian
    Plourr Ilo

    Great top three, but what is with all these great 7th round picks?

    Trimaj

    Anakin Skywalker
    Maarek Stele
    Ooryl Qyrgg
    Saba Sebatyne
    Horton Salm
    Zekk
    Rhysati Ynr
    Lowbacca

    I don't think I have a problem with this team individually but there's something...off. Though the mental image of Anakin whining about Padme next to Zekk whining about Jaina was pretty entertaining.

    Despised1

    Darth Vader
    Turr Phennir
    Darth Caedus
    Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Tesar Sebayne
    Shira Brie
    Asajj Ventress
    Krasov Hara

    Not bad, though I think Kenobi's a bit high and the Haras shouldn't be drafted at all in a 8GM SFD, that said the issues between some of these pilots could be seen in WWE plots.

    GrandAdmiralJello

    Tycho Celchu
    Gavin Darklighter
    Inyri Forge
    Myn Donos
    Biggs Darklighter
    Nrin Vakil
    Edor Crespin
    Alinn Varth

    Are you going with pilots you know I really like? I'd arguably say this is the favorite, though a bad set of numbers could lead to an upset, or quadruple trumping monkeys.

    imiller

    Han Solo
    Kyp Durron
    Syal Antilles
    Myri Antilles
    Garik "Face" Loran
    Kell Tainer
    Voort "Piggy" saBrinring
    Kral Nevil

    Where to start, Syal should arguably be in the 6-7th round, Myri's barely draftable in a 12 GM draft (I'd rate her roughly over the Haras), Piggy's a deceptively good pick though maybe a pure trump only pick with you know who. I'm also not sure about Nevil, that said you could improve your team with a person or two.
     
  9. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    24 hours to send me your numbers

    The Genius Pig Division


    725 Imperial Fighter Group (@GrandAdmiralJello) vs The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers (@Trimaj)


    Can't Take the Sky From Us (@DarkEagle) vs Mayhem Squadron (@imiller)


    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess (@s65horsey) vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron (@MASTERPRENN)


    Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron (@Despised1) vs The Non Descripts (@RX_Sith)
     
  10. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    numbers are in.

    hi jello. how's it going?
     
  11. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    #s are in, good luck RX.
     
  12. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    We're kicking off things with (appropriately) #1

    The Genius Pig Division


    725 Imperial Fighter Group vs The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers

    Inyri Forge vs Saba Sebatyne

    I'm leaning Inyri, but I'm open to arguments.


    Can't Take the Sky From Us vs Mayhem Squadron

    Kasan Moor vs Syal Antilles

    Kasan



    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

    Soontir Fel vs Jagged Fel TRUMPED with Shawnkyr Nuruodo

    Whoa. Okay. I need arguments.


    Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron vs The Non Descripts

    Darth Vader vs Adi Gallia

    Lord Vader
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Inyri's a pilot. Also long career with experience. And stuff.

    I hate arguing.
     
  14. imiller

    imiller Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I like her better than thiz one ;) because her speech patterns dont suck.
     
  15. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    might get something up tomorrow. today has been... draining. very, very draining. if nothing appears tomorrow just move on. i'll live.
     
  16. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well. Old Fel (Soontir) is great. He beats Jag in almost every category. Experience. Skill. I'm not going to argue that. In fact, Old Fel is so good that there are very few ways to beat him at all. Like, maybe two. The first way is to just be better than him. And there are maybe 3 pilots in this draft who can claim that. The second though, is to be creative.

    I think that this is where Young Fel is uniquely equipped to deliver.

    Here's the deal. Outside of people like Wedge who have flown against Old Fel since the beginning of time, there are few who know the Baron as well as his own son. Young Fel has seen his dad fly. He has learned his dads secrets. His weaknesses. His soft spots.

    Young Fel is also a brilliant strategist. He knows how to plan. He knows how to maneuver himself to victory. He knows how to manipulate.

    He also has a wingmate. Shank and Young Fel have been flying together since they were teenagers. They know how to work together very well. And they have very legitimate combat experience together, flying against the YV in that war, in addition to other skirmishes when they were together in the Chiss academy leading a squadron.

    So that's my argument. Old Fel is truly great, but Young Fel is very good. Young Fel is also joined by an experienced, very skilled wingman. Who he has been flying with for a long time. Young Fel knows Old Fel very well, and excels at creating strategies to defeat great opponents. Because of the skill differential here, this is what he will have to do. But I think he has proven himself more than capable in that regard. And also behind the sticks.

    Also, would Soontir kill his own son? Really? He's a jerk. But he's not that much of a jerk.
     
  17. Mikaboshi

    Mikaboshi Force Ghost star 6

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    Tough match there. It would be really hard to decide between Old Fel vs New Fel w/ wingmate.
     
  18. TypoCelchu

    TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    The Genius Pig Division


    725 Imperial Fighter Group vs The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers

    Inyri Forge vs Saba Sebatyne

    Like PG I'm leaning Inyri, but I am open to arguments.


    Can't Take the Sky From Us vs Mayhem Squadron

    Kasan Moor vs Syal Antilles

    Moor.



    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

    Soontir Fel vs Jagged Fel TRUMPED with Shawnkyr Nuruodo

    Leaning Soontir, but I'll hold off on my final determination.


    Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron vs The Non Descripts

    Darth Vader vs Adi Gallia

    Vader.
     
  19. s65horsey

    s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I'm actually a little cranky to argue this. It isn't like Jagged is a low first rounder going against a top first rounder. Jag is a second rounder trumped with a 7th or 8th rounder.

    Soontir Fel has more experience than Jag and Shawnkyr combined (to be fair a lot of what we know about those 2 is not in readable stories but in things said.)
    Soontir Fel has more skill than Jag and Shawnkry. Prenn already acknowledged this.

    That's 2 of the 3 categories with the third category being null since none of the three pilots have the force. Soontir is a master tactician who trained his son well, but with Soontir at his peak Jag doesn't come close enough even with the help of a wingman.
     
  20. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I'm going to go with Inyri and Soontir. Soontir has many of the advantages that Jag has in PRENN's argument and I'm fairly certain he would be familiar with Shawnkyr as well.
     
  21. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    only really have one thing to say for saba right now. just don't have it in me to do arguments.

    saba survived the early part of the vong war before they had any of the knowledge or doodads that evened things up towards the middle of it. the part that destroyed kyps dozen in the first book because they had no clue what the hell was going on. and she helped develop shield trios, which was one of the tricks that helped even the odds. without the benefit of being in touch with the rest of the galaxy very much at the beginning of the war.

    but hey, if you guys really think forge is better, then so be it. they've been going in the wrong order in the draft for quite a while then.
     
  22. TypoCelchu

    TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I'm also going Old Fel and Forge. As PG said most of the arguments for young Fel also apply to old Fel plus more. As far as Forge goes, let's not undervalue HER experience in the Vong War... and long before.
     
  23. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Next up is #4

    The Genius Pig Division


    725 Imperial Fighter Group (1) vs The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers (0)

    Gavin Darklighter vs Maarek Stele

    Once again I'd like arguments :p


    Can't Take the Sky From Us (1) vs Mayhem Squadron (0)

    Corran Horn vs Kral Nevil

    Corran



    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess (1) vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron (0)

    Pash Cracken vs Luke Skywalker

    Ouch. Luke



    Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron (1) vs The Non Descripts (0)

    Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Jaina Solo

    Jaina
     
  24. TypoCelchu

    TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Agreed on all the above. Arguments, Corran ,Luke, Jaina.
     
  25. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    will try to get more up later, but will say one thing ATM.

    maarek beat a star destroyer in a TIE. can gavin say anything remotely like that?
     
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