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The 17th EUC Starfighter Draft: Pigs on the Wing

Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Point Given, Sep 30, 2012.

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s65horsey EUC CHANCELLOR & Otter-loving former EUC mod

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You have skin on your teeth?

s65horsey, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:17 PM

#451
Trimaj Jedi Grand Master

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according to the saying i do. i've never been able to find any though.

Trimaj, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:32 PM

#452
s65horsey EUC CHANCELLOR & Otter-loving former EUC mod

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I don't think you have the right saying.

s65horsey, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:41 AM

#453
GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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Gavin Darklighter, Tycho Celchu, Inyri Forge, Myn Donos, Biggs Darklighter, Nrin Vakil, Edor Crespin, Alinn Varth
vs
Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, Corran Horn, Asyr Sei'lar, Kasan Moor, Anj Dahl, Bror Jace, Lensi

Individually:
Gavin < Wedge
Tycho > Wes
Inyri == Corran
Myn > Asyr (just saw this)
Biggs == Moor
Nrin > Dahl
Crespin > Jace
Varth >= Lensi

I'll justify the more arguable ones. Corran and Inyri might raise some eyebrows, and it might cause Horsey to hit me. My argument: Corran stopped flying, whereas Inyri kept going and going and going -- all through the Vong war. She has considerably more experience than he does. I'll grant it as a stretch though.

Biggs and Moor -- we have mostly word of mouth on both, except for Wedge's assertion that Biggs would be leading the squadron if he were still around. He was pretty skilled, whereas Moor looks like a soccer mom. So.

Nrin and Dahl are both from comics, but we've seen a lot more from Nrin and I don't know what leading Rogue Squadron says about a person in isolation -- one Rogue Leader could be a lot worse than another, for instance. Nrin made it through some heavy furballs.

Crespin has years of experience on Jace, who started off as a hotshot Rogue but then stopped flying. Crespin was a former TIE pilot, and it takes a lot to survive that.

Lensi is supposedly a Rogue Leader -- same thing applies to him as to Dahl. In the NJO, Inyri and Varth were the senior Rogues, not Lensi -- so I suspect Varth is better than Lensi, who we can attest through more of the Vong war than Lensi.

I would also assert that I have the edge in experience and cohesion.

GrandAdmiralJello, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:35 AM

#454
ma_petite Jedi Master

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I do have an urge to hit you, that is the only believable part of your Corran / Inyri argument.

(mobile sock of s65horsey)

ma_petite, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:25 AM

#455
Trimaj Jedi Grand Master

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@s65horsey

http://english.stackexchange.com/qu...he-phrase-no-skin-off-my-teeth-nose-come-from

so no, i don't have the wrong saying, i just use the most obscure version of it.

Last edited by Trimaj, Nov 13, 2012

Trimaj, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:45 PM

#456
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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Just a reminder to @DarkEagle for his argument.

Point Given, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:47 PM

#457
DarkEagle Jedi Master

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Gavin < Wedge
Tycho > Wes
Inyri < Corran
Myn > Asyr
Biggs < Moor
Nrin < Dahl
Crespin > Jace
Varth < Lensi

Jello said:

Biggs and Moor -- we have mostly word of mouth on both, except for Wedge's assertion that Biggs would be leading the squadron if he were still around. He was pretty skilled, whereas Moor looks like a soccer mom. So.

Conversely, we have Luke's assertation that she's as good as Wedge. Substantially, Kasan earned command of the elite 128th Imperial Interceptor Squadron before defecting to Rogue Squadron. She flew with the Rogues during their campaign against Moff Seerdon, and later during the Emperor Reborn's assualt on Dac (she's also ambiguously in Forces of Corruption). She has the experience advantage over Biggs.

Anj has also made it through some rather intense furballs, and has a more extensive flying career, which puts her past Nrin.

Jello said:

so I suspect Varth is better than Lensi, who we can attest through more of the Vong war than Lensi.

Actually, no, you can't attest that at all. Lensi has almost the entirety of the YV war and then he's killed while flying over 10 years later (with the implication he's flown the interveneing years). We have much less confirmed on Varth than that.

Cohesion: Wedge, Wes, Corran, Asyr have all flown extensively with each other, Kasan spent her entire time in Rogue Squadron with Wedge and Wes, Jace flew with Corran and Asyr when he was with the Rogues. So that leaves Anj and Lensi (who flew somewhat with Corran during the YVW) as oddballs, but without any problems.

Gavin, Tycho, and Inyri have all flown together and sizeably with Myn as well. Tycho flew with Nrin, and Varth w/ Gavin. None of them (save maybe Gavin back home on Tatooine) flew with Biggs, and none really flew with Crespin.

While both teams have good cohesion, I think I edge this one because more of my pilots flew with multiple other members of the squad, where Jello's has more single pilot links.

Overall, I think I edge this match due to slight advantages in the individual match-ups and in the cohesion field.

Last edited by DarkEagle, Nov 13, 2012

DarkEagle, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:06 PM

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GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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Corrections to the above.

re: the NJO, I mean that we can attest Varth up to the beginning of the war, and at a higher rank than Lensi it seems (since she and Inyri were Gavin's top officers).

Cohesion: Tycho and Biggs trained under Fel together. Yes, that Fel. Crespin's the only one out, yet he has the common defector background with Tykes and Biggs. Also, Nrin was back to help our in IR, which meant he's also flown with Gavin and Inyri to boot. Varth and Inyri have served together, along with Gavin as you mention. Cohesion's a lot tighter than DE credits.

And as above, experience counts. My pilots served longer: Tycho, Gavin, and Inyri stayed flying for a long time, Crespin's an old hand in the seat, Myn's a bit uncertain, but the only person here with a short career is Biggs.

GrandAdmiralJello, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:07 PM

#459
KenKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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GrandAdmiralJello said: ↑

Biggs and Moor -- we have mostly word of mouth on both, except for Wedge's assertion that Biggs would be leading the squadron if he were still around. He was pretty skilled, whereas Moor looks like a soccer mom. So.

GrandAdmiralJello said: ↑

Not so sure I'd agree that Biggs is better than Farrell, or that Biggs is better than Moor.

wat.

Leave soccer moms outta this, maaaan.

KenKenobi, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:10 AM

#460
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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There isn't any inconsistency in Jello's arguments. Sine he's arguing that Biggs equals Kasan his argument last draft makes perfect sense.

Point Given, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:22 AM

#461
KenKenobi Jedi Grand Master

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Wait, what? Nevermind old Emperor J-Dawg judged Kasan Moor over the likes of Janson before I believe, the point was that soccer moms are awesome, they should not be used negatively in comparison to Biggs. Unless his porn 'stache has a special effect on them, or something.

If we were talking real arguments, you could just quote Nigel's piece from that last Draft. Where is that guy, anyway? Ep VII should bring more draft nerds back.

EDIT: By Nigel I mean New_York_Jedi, apologies for my slang.

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KenKenobi, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:52 AM

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TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master

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Oh man, I have to admit, this is probably the closest team match I've had the misfortune of judging. I've flip flopped for the last two days on which way to judge, and honestly, it's not been easy. However, I'm going to go with Jello's team based on what I deem to be a higher level of experience and cohesion and an ever so slight lead in skill level.

TypoCelchu, Nov 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

#463
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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I'm going to go with DarkEagle on this one, mainly because I think Corran, Kasan and Anj are slightly better than their counterparts and that cohesion and experience are a push.

But like Typo said, this is the closest and most difficult match that I've ever judged.

Last edited by Point Given, Nov 14, 2012

Point Given, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

#464
adaml83 Jedi Grand Master

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I'm going to go with DarkEagles team because with a match this close I think his cohesion separates his team enough to get the win.

adaml83, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:27 PM

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Point Given The Baron of Literature

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Playoff scenarios: Top 2 advance to playoffs. Bottom 2 go to the consolation round

The Genius Pig Division AKA Complicated Scenario

DarkEagle

To clinch, all DarkEagle needs to do is win. He will also get the top spot which means he'll face the winner of the s65horsey/Despised1 match if he beats Trimaj. If he loses and Jello loses, then he will still clinch.

However if he loses and Jello wins, then it will be a three way tie at 2-1, with Trimaj beating DE who beat Jello who beat Trimaj. At that point it will come down to the most overall wins which, at the moment, favors DE.

Trimaj

To clinch, Trimaj needs to win and have Jello lose which would also give him the top spot. If Trimaj loses and Jello loses it would come down to a three way tie at 1-2 (Trimaj > imiller > Jello > Trimaj) which favors Trimaj with overall wins. If Trimaj loses and Jello wins, then Trim is eliminated

GrandAdmiralJello

To clinch, Jello needs to win and have DE win. If he wins and Trimaj wins, it will come down to the three way 2-1 records as before which favor DE and Trimaj. If Jello loses and Trimaj loses it will come down to the three way 1-2 records for the 2nd playoff spot which favors Trim.

imiller

To clinch, imiller needs to blowout Jello and have DE blowout Trimaj which would give three way 1-2 records in which imiller is very behind in terms of overall wins. A loss by imiller or a win by Trimaj will eliminate imiller

Right now the overall wins stands at

DE: 10
Trimaj: 9
Jello: 8
imiller: 5

The Schizophrenic Horse Division AKA Simple Scenario

MASTERPRENN

Prenn has already clinched the top spot in the playoffs since there can be only two 2-1 teams from this division and he holds the tiebreakers over Horsey and Despised

s65horsey

Win and Horsey's in. Lose and she's in the consolation round

Despised1

See above (Except with "he" )

RX_Sith

RX_Sith has been eliminated from the playoffs but will be in the consolation round

Matches:

24 hours to send me your numbers

The Genius Pig Division

The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers ( @Trimaj) [1-1] vs Can't Take the Sky From Us ( @DarkEagle) [2-0]

725 Imperial Fighter Group ( @GrandAdmiralJello) [1-1] vs Mayhem Squadron ( @imiller) [0-2]

The Schizophrenic Horse Division

Seven Gentlemen and a Princess ( @s65horsey) [1-1] vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron ( @Despised1) [1-1]

The Non Descripts ( @RX_Sith) [0-2]vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron ( @MASTERPRENN) [2-0]

Last edited by Point Given, Nov 14, 2012

Point Given, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:57 PM

#466
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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@imiller
@Trimaj
@DarkEagle

Still need your numbers.

Last edited by Point Given, Nov 15, 2012

Point Given, Nov 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM

#467
Trimaj Jedi Grand Master

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sorry. was an extremely long day.

Trimaj, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

#468
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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Just a note, I'm going up to the Catskills this weekend so I may not have internet access. I'll be back Sunday evening.

We start off things with #5!

The Genius Pig Division

The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers vs Can't Take the Sky From Us

Ooryl Qyrgg vs Kasan Moor

Ooryl

725 Imperial Fighter Group vs Mayhem Squadron

Edor Crespin TRUMPED with Myn Donos vs Kral Nevil

Donald Trump

The Schizophrenic Horse Division

Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron

Soontir Fel vs Tesar Sebatyne

The Baron

The Non Descripts vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

Jaina Solo vs Aril Nunb

Jaina

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Point Given, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:07 PM

#469
ma_petite Jedi Master

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Lol @ Jello

(mobile sock of s65horsey)

ma_petite, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:27 PM

#470
TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master

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Agree

TypoCelchu, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:09 PM

#471
GrandAdmiralJello Emperor: Community & Lit

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ma_petite said: ↑

Lol @ Jello

(mobile sock of s65horsey)

I'm pretty much the worst at this.

GrandAdmiralJello, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM

#472
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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Working off my phone at the moment

#4!

The Genius Pig Division

The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers vs Can't Take the Sky From Us

Maarek Stele vs Anj Dahl

Maarek

725 Imperial Fighter Group vs Mayhem Squadron

Inyri Forge TRUMPED with Alinn Varth vs Syal Antilles

Donald Trump

The Schizophrenic Horse Division

Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron

Dash Rendar vs Asajj Ventress

Dash

The Non Descripts vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

Anakin Solo vs Luke Skywalker

Boom!

Last edited by Point Given, Nov 18, 2012

Point Given, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:03 PM

#473
TypoCelchu Jedi Grand Master

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Agreed.

TypoCelchu, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM

#474
Point Given The Baron of Literature

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Next up is #3!

The Genius Pig Division

The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers (2) vs Can't Take the Sky From Us (0)

Zekk vs Wedge Antilles

Wedge

725 Imperial Fighter Group (2) vs Mayhem Squadron (0)

Nrin Vakil vs Garik "Face" Loran

Face

The Schizophrenic Horse Division

Seven Gentlemen and a Princess (2) vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron (0)

Lando Calrissian vs Darth Vader

I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

The Non Descripts (0) vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron (2)

Adi Gallia vs Shawnkyr Nuruodo TRUMPED with Jagged Fel

Trump

Point Given, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM

#475

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