Games The 17th EUC Starfighter Draft: Pigs on the Wing

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  1. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    You have skin on your teeth?
  2. The Great No One Game Winner

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    according to the saying i do. i've never been able to find any though.
  3. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    I don't think you have the right saying. ;)
  4. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Gavin Darklighter, Tycho Celchu, Inyri Forge, Myn Donos, Biggs Darklighter, Nrin Vakil, Edor Crespin, Alinn Varth
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    Wedge Antilles, Wes Janson, Corran Horn, Asyr Sei'lar, Kasan Moor, Anj Dahl, Bror Jace, Lensi

    Individually:
    Gavin < Wedge
    Tycho > Wes
    Inyri == Corran
    Myn > Asyr (just saw this)
    Biggs == Moor
    Nrin > Dahl
    Crespin > Jace
    Varth >= Lensi


    I'll justify the more arguable ones. Corran and Inyri might raise some eyebrows, and it might cause Horsey to hit me. My argument: Corran stopped flying, whereas Inyri kept going and going and going -- all through the Vong war. She has considerably more experience than he does. I'll grant it as a stretch though.

    Biggs and Moor -- we have mostly word of mouth on both, except for Wedge's assertion that Biggs would be leading the squadron if he were still around. He was pretty skilled, whereas Moor looks like a soccer mom. So.

    Nrin and Dahl are both from comics, but we've seen a lot more from Nrin and I don't know what leading Rogue Squadron says about a person in isolation -- one Rogue Leader could be a lot worse than another, for instance. Nrin made it through some heavy furballs.

    Crespin has years of experience on Jace, who started off as a hotshot Rogue but then stopped flying. Crespin was a former TIE pilot, and it takes a lot to survive that.

    Lensi is supposedly a Rogue Leader -- same thing applies to him as to Dahl. In the NJO, Inyri and Varth were the senior Rogues, not Lensi -- so I suspect Varth is better than Lensi, who we can attest through more of the Vong war than Lensi.


    I would also assert that I have the edge in experience and cohesion.
  5. ma_petite Force Ghost

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    I do have an urge to hit you, that is the only believable part of your Corran / Inyri argument.

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  6. The Great No One Game Winner

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  7. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    Just a reminder to @DarkEagle for his argument.
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    Gavin < Wedge
    Tycho > Wes
    Inyri < Corran
    Myn > Asyr
    Biggs < Moor
    Nrin < Dahl
    Crespin > Jace
    Varth < Lensi



    Conversely, we have Luke's assertation that she's as good as Wedge. Substantially, Kasan earned command of the elite 128th Imperial Interceptor Squadron before defecting to Rogue Squadron. She flew with the Rogues during their campaign against Moff Seerdon, and later during the Emperor Reborn's assualt on Dac (she's also ambiguously in Forces of Corruption). She has the experience advantage over Biggs.

    Anj has also made it through some rather intense furballs, and has a more extensive flying career, which puts her past Nrin.



    Actually, no, you can't attest that at all. Lensi has almost the entirety of the YV war and then he's killed while flying over 10 years later (with the implication he's flown the interveneing years). We have much less confirmed on Varth than that.

    Cohesion: Wedge, Wes, Corran, Asyr have all flown extensively with each other, Kasan spent her entire time in Rogue Squadron with Wedge and Wes, Jace flew with Corran and Asyr when he was with the Rogues. So that leaves Anj and Lensi (who flew somewhat with Corran during the YVW) as oddballs, but without any problems.

    Gavin, Tycho, and Inyri have all flown together and sizeably with Myn as well. Tycho flew with Nrin, and Varth w/ Gavin. None of them (save maybe Gavin back home on Tatooine) flew with Biggs, and none really flew with Crespin.

    While both teams have good cohesion, I think I edge this one because more of my pilots flew with multiple other members of the squad, where Jello's has more single pilot links.

    Overall, I think I edge this match due to slight advantages in the individual match-ups and in the cohesion field.
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  9. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Corrections to the above.

    re: the NJO, I mean that we can attest Varth up to the beginning of the war, and at a higher rank than Lensi it seems (since she and Inyri were Gavin's top officers).

    Cohesion: Tycho and Biggs trained under Fel together. Yes, that Fel. Crespin's the only one out, yet he has the common defector background with Tykes and Biggs. Also, Nrin was back to help our in IR, which meant he's also flown with Gavin and Inyri to boot. Varth and Inyri have served together, along with Gavin as you mention. Cohesion's a lot tighter than DE credits.

    And as above, experience counts. My pilots served longer: Tycho, Gavin, and Inyri stayed flying for a long time, Crespin's an old hand in the seat, Myn's a bit uncertain, but the only person here with a short career is Biggs.
  10. KenKenobi Force Ghost

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    wat.

    Leave soccer moms outta this, maaaan.
  11. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    There isn't any inconsistency in Jello's arguments. Sine he's arguing that Biggs equals Kasan his argument last draft makes perfect sense.
  12. KenKenobi Force Ghost

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    Wait, what? Nevermind old Emperor J-Dawg judged Kasan Moor over the likes of Janson before I believe, the point was that soccer moms are awesome, they should not be used negatively in comparison to Biggs. Unless his porn 'stache has a special effect on them, or something.

    If we were talking real arguments, you could just quote Nigel's piece from that last Draft. Where is that guy, anyway? Ep VII should bring more draft nerds back.

    EDIT: By Nigel I mean New_York_Jedi, apologies for my slang.
    Last edited by KenKenobi, Nov 14, 2012
  13. TypoCelchu Force Ghost

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    Oh man, I have to admit, this is probably the closest team match I've had the misfortune of judging. I've flip flopped for the last two days on which way to judge, and honestly, it's not been easy. However, I'm going to go with Jello's team based on what I deem to be a higher level of experience and cohesion and an ever so slight lead in skill level.
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    I'm going to go with DarkEagle on this one, mainly because I think Corran, Kasan and Anj are slightly better than their counterparts and that cohesion and experience are a push.

    But like Typo said, this is the closest and most difficult match that I've ever judged.
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  15. adaml83 Force Ghost

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    I'm going to go with DarkEagles team because with a match this close I think his cohesion separates his team enough to get the win.
  16. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    Playoff scenarios: Top 2 advance to playoffs. Bottom 2 go to the consolation round

    The Genius Pig Division AKA Complicated Scenario

    DarkEagle

    To clinch, all DarkEagle needs to do is win. He will also get the top spot which means he'll face the winner of the s65horsey/Despised1 match if he beats Trimaj. If he loses and Jello loses, then he will still clinch.

    However if he loses and Jello wins, then it will be a three way tie at 2-1, with Trimaj beating DE who beat Jello who beat Trimaj. At that point it will come down to the most overall wins which, at the moment, favors DE.


    Trimaj

    To clinch, Trimaj needs to win and have Jello lose which would also give him the top spot. If Trimaj loses and Jello loses it would come down to a three way tie at 1-2 (Trimaj > imiller > Jello > Trimaj) which favors Trimaj with overall wins. If Trimaj loses and Jello wins, then Trim is eliminated


    GrandAdmiralJello

    To clinch, Jello needs to win and have DE win. If he wins and Trimaj wins, it will come down to the three way 2-1 records as before which favor DE and Trimaj. If Jello loses and Trimaj loses it will come down to the three way 1-2 records for the 2nd playoff spot which favors Trim.

    imiller

    To clinch, imiller needs to blowout Jello and have DE blowout Trimaj which would give three way 1-2 records in which imiller is very behind in terms of overall wins. A loss by imiller or a win by Trimaj will eliminate imiller

    Right now the overall wins stands at

    DE: 10
    Trimaj: 9
    Jello: 8
    imiller: 5



    The Schizophrenic Horse Division AKA Simple Scenario


    MASTERPRENN

    Prenn has already clinched the top spot in the playoffs since there can be only two 2-1 teams from this division and he holds the tiebreakers over Horsey and Despised


    s65horsey

    Win and Horsey's in. Lose and she's in the consolation round

    Despised1

    See above (Except with "he" :p )

    RX_Sith

    RX_Sith has been eliminated from the playoffs but will be in the consolation round





    Matches:

    24 hours to send me your numbers

    The Genius Pig Division


    The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers ( @Trimaj) [1-1] vs Can't Take the Sky From Us ( @DarkEagle) [2-0]


    725 Imperial Fighter Group ( @GrandAdmiralJello) [1-1] vs Mayhem Squadron ( @imiller) [0-2]



    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess ( @s65horsey) [1-1] vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron ( @Despised1) [1-1]


    The Non Descripts ( @RX_Sith) [0-2]vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron ( @MASTERPRENN) [2-0]
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  18. The Great No One Game Winner

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    sorry. was an extremely long day.
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    Just a note, I'm going up to the Catskills this weekend so I may not have internet access. I'll be back Sunday evening.


    We start off things with #5!

    The Genius Pig Division


    The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers vs Can't Take the Sky From Us

    Ooryl Qyrgg vs Kasan Moor

    Ooryl



    725 Imperial Fighter Group vs Mayhem Squadron

    Edor Crespin TRUMPED with Myn Donos vs Kral Nevil

    Donald Trump




    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron

    Soontir Fel vs Tesar Sebatyne

    The Baron


    The Non Descripts vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

    Jaina Solo vs Aril Nunb

    Jaina
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  20. ma_petite Force Ghost

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    Lol @ Jello

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  21. TypoCelchu Force Ghost

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  22. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    I'm pretty much the worst at this.
  23. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    #4!

    The Genius Pig Division


    The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers vs Can't Take the Sky From Us

    Maarek Stele vs Anj Dahl

    Maarek



    725 Imperial Fighter Group vs Mayhem Squadron

    Inyri Forge TRUMPED with Alinn Varth vs Syal Antilles

    Donald Trump




    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron

    Dash Rendar vs Asajj Ventress

    Dash


    The Non Descripts vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron

    Anakin Solo vs Luke Skywalker

    Boom!
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  24. TypoCelchu Force Ghost

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    Next up is #3!



    The Genius Pig Division


    The Wonderful Wandering Whippersnappers (2) vs Can't Take the Sky From Us (0)

    Zekk vs Wedge Antilles

    Wedge



    725 Imperial Fighter Group (2) vs Mayhem Squadron (0)

    Nrin Vakil vs Garik "Face" Loran

    Face




    The Schizophrenic Horse Division


    Seven Gentlemen and a Princess (2) vs Darth Vader Presents: The Squadron (0)

    Lando Calrissian vs Darth Vader

    I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.


    The Non Descripts (0) vs PANTS ARE GREAT Squadron (2)

    Adi Gallia vs Shawnkyr Nuruodo TRUMPED with Jagged Fel

    Trump
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