Senate The 2016 General Presidential Election

Perhaps it's time for Hillary to issue an apology and retraction for her ill-considered comments about Trump's children at the second debate.

 

There is nothing wrong with small whatevers, you sexist pig!

 

I am convinced that response was a tactical maneuver. I said it before but that comment was a warning shot to Trump that family is off limits. Hillary steered clear of ever attacking Melania, Trump's multiple marriages, His sons' hunting and many of their comments. It's not like they didn't give her plenty of material. But she believes family is off limits and that was the message she not so subtly sent after Trump went and brought Bill's accusers to the second debate. She drew that line in the sand as a reminder.

 

I agree with you, particularly where Chelsea is concerned. Bill Clinton on the other hand will always be a public figure. His sexual misconduct is baked into American history along with his achievements as governor and president.

 

Remember how for the last 8 years racism has made a "comeback" under the cover of criticizing the president? Same thing about to happen with sexism.

 

Ugh, that's just nauseating.

I really hope the GOP loses the Senate, because it's going to take that kind of walloping to get the idiots out of the party.

 

Illinois is going to do its part. Duckworth's victory over Mark Kirk all but certain.

 

What did she say? I didn't really watch the second debate.

 

She complimented them...

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-probably-finished-off-trump-last-night/

MARGIN IN POST-DEBATE POLLS
DEBATE WINNERYEAR1ST DEBATE2ND DEBATE3RD DEBATETOTAL
Clinton (vs. Trump) 2016 +35 +23 +13 +71
Obama (vs. McCain) 2008 +13 +24 +27 +64
Clinton (vs. Bush) 1992 +14 +42 +0 +56
Kerry (vs. Bush) 2004 +16 +2 +13 +31
Romney (vs. Obama) 2012 +42 -7 -8 +27
Bush (vs. Gore) 2000 -7 +13 -2 +4


Man, it's like being a smart, prepared woman makes people not take you as seriously as a man unless you actually look at the numbers...

 

dp4m Oh I see.

Rylo Ken I see that your post that I quoted was being sarcastic. My "sarcasm on the internet" detector wasn't on.

So she complimented them. Good for her. And unlike Trump himself none of his children have gotten on my bad side with the exception of when Trump Jr. said that women who are harassed at work should just stay home back in 2013.

I respect Ivanka a lot too. I wish she was the one running on the GOP ticket instead of her father. Curse the fact that she is only 34 right now. And obviously it's not her fault that Trump made sleazy comments about her. Her speech during the Republican convention was the only thing I liked about it. Yes she praised/defended her father a lot but she also brought up things that I and many others care about like the gender wage gap.

 

They're basically all terrible people. The junior men are not only sport hunters who kill animals on safari for no reason, but also hold terrible views on many, many things similar to their father.

And Ivanka looks and sounds better than her father, but the problem with a campaign like this is everyone does a deep dive: her big thing is "maternity leave and women in the workplace"... and did not have a maternity leave plan at her own company, and employees reported having difficulty even using FMLA (which, y'know, Federal law)... plus she enables her father's behavior by providing cover during the election. I don't judge her for her father's behavior, like people do with Bill for Hillary, but I do judge her based on her own actions in her own life and responses to her father's behavior.

 

Ivanka could easily slip into politics if she really wanted. She could probably give De Blasio a formidable opponent in a mayoral race but would need to heavily distance herself from her father to do it. If it were Senate or House though, she might need to go outside of New York. I don't see her winning there.

 

dp4m I agree. She should distant herself from her father. Or she should at least say that she doesn't condone Trump's comments about groping women.

And I honestly didn't know that about her company. I just liked the fact that she actually brought up the gender wage gap at a republican convention. Does her company still not have equal pay or was that a past issue there?

Of course she has no political experience either. So as Yodaminch mentioned it would be better for her to start in something local instead of jumping immediately into a presidential election.

As for the rest of his children I despise safari/sport hunting (I only support hunting for food and population control) and I certainly wouldn't support the Trump's other children in politics.

 

Here's the story on Ivanka's company:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/former-exec-at-ivanka-trumps-company-says-they-had-to-f-1787656933

Also, of note, her plan for her father's campaign was maternity leave... so family leave was off the table, meaning fathers get nothing, adoptions theoretically get nothing, gay men get nothing, etc.

 

I've heard it said that, in her own way, Ivanka is actually worse than her father and brothers--because she fully supports and vouches for her father's campaign but does so with a sweet and gentle veneer. Part of the reason Trump is in such a freefall this election is that he can never extract his own foot from his mouth, he can't play the political game, spends time obsessing over perceived insults and cries about rigging. Ivanka would never do these things. She would make Donald's horrible platform palatable and make voting for such a platform even seem respectable.

At least that's one argument I've seen made. Personally, I wouldn't go that far. I honestly think most of Ivanka's support (and her general rapport with her father) is a survival mechanism. I mean, would you be as well-adjusted as she appears to be if your own father or mother had sexually objectified you since adolescence? That, and I'm pretty sure her father would ruin her if she ever stepped out of line (don't tell me he won't!). This doesn't excuse some poor business practices of hers--as highlighted by dp4m--but I think on the whole I sympathize with Ivanka... to an extent anyway.

 

Well, I've heard if you look in the mirror and say Ivanka's five times, a tangerine will appear.

 

I thought he was going to grab her by the *****.
Disappoint

 

I got my by mail ballot! Woot. Now I get to start the process of reading the 220 page election guide about all the many, many CA propositions this year. I'll have finished voting in approximately a week