Senate The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election has begun

Elijah Cummings is speaking now. I can hear some protest in the background but can't tell what they are saying.

 

I think many delegates inside the DNC will likely follow that. But I think Sanders' has already lost control of the larger Berning man movement, whatever might be of it.

He should have gone Cruz-lite. Not endorse but say NeverTrump. Now he is appearing as a sell out.

 

What really sucks is Hillary Clinton has devoted basically her entire life to public service, to trying to help lift others up. She's now won the presidential nomination, first time for a woman from the two major parties too. And by a much larger margin than Obama did in 2008, in which she graciously did all she could to support him. And this is the result, with Bernie fans booing everyone, for probably 4 days straight. Possibly even booing her when she accepts the nomination, booing Michelle Obama, booing Barack Obama, booing everyone. This is why the far left does so poorly in American politics.

 

That's not really why.

 

Lots of chants of "Bernie! Bernie!" right now.

 

I was never in this to do a personal favor to Bernie Sanders and I don't think anyone else was either.

 

"No to TPP" Took me a while. Elijah Cummings is such a good speaker, no one dared boo him...

 

So the far left does badly because they're rude? Oh come on Ghost.

 

A historical distrust of any economic policy that doesn't fellate free markets as being just as bad as socialism has absolutely nothing to do with it!

 

These stupid tactics definitely hurt their movement, make them less appealing to others who are persuadable.

 

Also lol @ Ghost thinking that Sanders' level soc dems are "the far left"

 

I can only fight one comment at a time.

Ghost did being polite help their movement? Reforms in America have come usually after some turmoil and disruption. Politeness just satisfies the status quo. The gains of women and minorities have largely come from protest and disruption, not being polite.

 

I know there's a much farther left. We've had this discussion a thousand times.
These kinds of tactics are usually more associated with that far left than with social democrats.

The floor of the convention is not the place for it.

We should be so much better than this.

And this is ultimately going to help Trump more than anything, and his call for "law & order."

So depressing. And I thought this week would be mostly positive and energizing. Instead I'm actually upset.

 

John Oliver returns. This is about the RNC. Around the 6 minute mark Newt Gingrich flat out tells Camerota that facts do not matter, only what people feel matters. What sets it off is the crime rate which is down, he says it's up and those are his facts too even though they are not. Half this country votes this way.

 

Yes, the credibility of the progressive/liberal movement will be hurt. If it is perceived that they have given the election to Trump, then they will become the new Naders in the US. They will be delegitimized just as Nader was.

Also, if this in part helps divide the Dems and thus helps Trump, then any progress of the progressive movement will be destroyed by Trump and a GOP congress.





"When Trump becomes President, I want to be able to tell my children that I did everything to stop him."

 

Ghost, booing and chanting are not that big a deal. This is all being overblown as this terrible thing. Party loyalists are helping the media coverage by saying it is this big Russian hacking scandal and terrible behavior by Sander's delegates.

Just ride the wave and it will all work out. Democracy is messy.

 

Yodaminch: That’s very well stated.

Might I also caution swing-state Sanders supporters: Don’t overvalue a mere vote. Contrary to the Democratic establishment’s desires, casting a vote for Clinton in November need not translate as, “I’m supporting Clinton, and will sit down and shut up for the following four years.” All it has to mean is, “I’m preventing Trump from assuming the most powerful position in the world, and will devote my free time in the following four years to revolt against Clinton and the neoliberals’ hawkish and corporatist designs.”

Take down Candidate Trump.

Take down President Hillary Clinton and the center-right Democrats.

 

Is the fart-in tonight?

 

https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/757681285666045952

Keith Olbermann goes off the deep end.

 

ShaneP, I think you're underestimating the potential negative impact of this. Especially if it happens when the major speakers speak, or Hillary herself.

They are so helping Donald Trump. So many people see it, even Bernie sees it. That's why this is a big deal.

Bernie wants to raise the minimum wage to $15. Hillary used to say $12 nationwide and $15 in some places, now she says $15 nationwide too. Bernie fans are upset, so they boo, which helps Trump, who wouldn't mind actually lowering the minimum wage. Repeat similarly on other issues. It's so irrational.

 

Oh he went off that a long time ago.

 

How about some hard cash instead? If you really believe what you're saying.

 

Rew, what dp4m says above.

Glass-Steagall is made redundant by the implementation in the US of the Basel III accords on capital adequacy, which I believe you call the LCR or Liquidity Coverage Ratio. The US' implementation is tougher than those required under Basel III, and solves the main concerns the Act sought to address i.e. protection of deposits made by customers of the bank.

Whilst an argument could be made about this being a fairly esoteric said of laws in an industry not many follow from a regulatory compliance point of view, the same cannot be said for wannabe Presidents or legislators who damned well should know better. However, the list of things that are being seen as concessions to Bernie for which he ought to have known better is already pretty damned long.

As for the $15 wage, what dp4m said. You'll actually probably do exponentially more good for the poor to expand the coverage of EITC in real terms than you will by promoting a $15 flat minimum mage federally; the question for me then becomes, is this something you do to appeal to bleeding heart middle class types, or because you're actually interested in making a difference...